Pedophilia - The Next Taboo To Fall?

[Cow Poke]

And then people realized that it wasn't at all damaging to the social fabric, and realized in fact that preventing Fred and George getting married to each other was damaging to Fred and George, and any kids they might have....

Yeah, about that... Fred and George 'ain't gonna have no kids' without recruiting....

[Leonhard]

Yeah, about that... Fred and George 'ain't gonna have no kids' without recruiting....

Recruitment?

[Cow Poke]

Recruitment?

Being facetious, Leon. Just poking at my buddy, StairFlight.

[seer]

And then people realized that it wasn't at all damaging to the social fabric, and realized in fact that preventing Fred and George getting married to each other was damaging to Fred and George, and any kids they might have, and any women that we forced to them to marry instead.

Of course it is damaging to society - accepting immorality always is.

[Starlight]

Yeah, about that... Fred and George 'ain't gonna have no kids' without recruiting....

Um... you know that heaps and heaps of gay couples have children right? Children via a previous heterosexual relationship is currently the most common cause, but in future children via adoption or surrogacy looks likely to pass it numerically. The State of California estimated that 25,000 children were being raised in California by same-sex couples. The Supreme Court in its judgement on same-sex marriage observed that the well-being of children is materially affected by whether the relationship between their gay parents is recognized as a marriage or not - both from a financial point of view (eg tax breaks) and a social point of view (that their families are recognized as worthy of dignity, that the children can have the self-respect that comes from being able to say 'my parents are married', that society does not condemn these families to a lesser social status by denying them marriage rights).

Your reference to 'recruiting' is tasteless, and harks back to the bad old days when Christians spread vicious and nasty rumors that since gay people couldn't reproduce with each other they must want to reproduce by converting other people's kids to being gay, possibly for the purpose of sexual activities with them. It was horrible and unjust and needlessly nasty demonization of gay people by people who ought to have known better had they given it a moment's thought, or thought to actually care about gay people rather than mindlessly hating and opposing them.

[Cow Poke]

Um... you know that heaps and heaps of gay couples have children right?

Yeah, you don't have to rub it in.

[Cow Poke]

Your reference to 'recruiting' is tasteless, and harks back to the bad old days when Christians spread vicious and nasty rumors that since gay people couldn't reproduce with each other they must want to reproduce by converting other people's kids to being gay, possibly for the purpose of sexual activities with them. It was horrible and unjust and needlessly nasty demonization of gay people by people who ought to have known better had they given it a moment's thought, or thought to actually care about gay people rather than mindlessly hating and opposing them.

Being facetious, Leon. Just poking at my buddy, StairFlight.

Surprise. It worked.

[Starlight]

Surprise. It worked.

I'm not sure that you realize how hurtful gay people can find those sorts of words though. Maybe in 50 years a joke about gay people recruiting kids would just be purely funny. But in the present the wounds are still very raw for a lot of gay people in terms of the malicious accusations that they've survived from overzealous anti-gay Christians. My advice would be to just not go there in terms of mentioning subjects like 'recruiting' or drawing links between gay people and pedophilia, unless your goal is to cause pain to any gay people reading your words.

[Cow Poke]

I'm not sure that you realize how hurtful gay people can find those sorts of words though.

I certainly don't mean to be hurtful, Star, but sometimes the truth does, indeed, hurt.

I believe homosexuality is a sin. (not just having homosexual thoughts or tendencies, but acting on them)
When two homosexuals commit to "marriage", how can that NOT be considered by Christians to be a declaration of intent to continue in sin.
Why, on God's green earth, would I want children raised in that kind of environment?

Maybe in 50 years a joke about gay people recruiting kids would just be purely funny.

In 50 years, it will still be two people rebelling against God, bringing an innocent child into that sinful relationship.

But in the present the wounds are still very raw for a lot of gay people in terms of the malicious accusations that they've survived from overzealous anti-gay Christians.

I'm not anti-gay, Star. I'm anti-sin.

My advice.....

You'll please forgive me if I decline to accept advice on sin from an atheist.

[Leonhard]

Surprise. It worked.

So when you used the word 'recruitment' you meant 'adoption' and not that old heinous stereotype of gay people as pedophiles praying on and converting impressionable youths to 'the homosexual lifestyle'?

[Leonhard]

Honestly I can't tell between whether you're joking or half-serious, between your posts and #489.

[Cow Poke]

So when you used the word 'recruitment' you meant 'adoption' and not that old heinous stereotype of gay people as pedophiles praying on and converting impressionable youths to 'the homosexual lifestyle'?

Yes, I used that expression because I knew it would poke Starlight, cause he's so emotional. My bad. I had no intent at the "pedophile" implication - didn't think that, hadn't considered that. Wasn't aware that was a serious argument.

[Cow Poke]

Honestly I can't tell between whether you're joking or half-serious, between your posts and #489.

Post #489 is deadly serious....


I believe homosexuality is a sin. (not just having homosexual thoughts or tendencies, but acting on them)
When two homosexuals commit to "marriage", how can that NOT be considered by Christians to be a declaration of intent to continue in sin.
Why, on God's green earth, would I want children raised in that kind of environment?

Nothing there about the homosexual parents being pedophiles, or having that in mind... don't know where that came from.

[Leonhard]

I believe homosexuality is a sin. (not just having homosexual thoughts or tendencies, but acting on them)
When two homosexuals commit to "marriage", how can that NOT be considered by Christians to be a declaration of intent to continue in sin.
Why, on God's green earth, would I want children raised in that kind of environment?

Here we agree.

Nothing there about the homosexual parents being pedophiles, or having that in mind... don't know where that came from.

Its this part, thanks for the clarification though. As for the source of that accusation look here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_recruitment

[Leonhard]

Yes, I used that expression because I knew it would poke Starlight, cause he's so emotional. My bad. I had no intent at the "pedophile" implication - didn't think that, hadn't considered that. Wasn't aware that was a serious argument.

Eh, we all make mistakes. I'm the only one here who's completely perfect and cool as as cucumber.