You want $15/hr? How about $0/hr!

[Sparko]

THREAD TITLE: You want $15/hr? How about $0/hr!

This kind of attitude might be OK for Pagans, Vikings ('orrible lot, them Vikings) and certain other cultures, but not for yer actual real Christians who believe in the Laws of Moses, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy etc.

Those laws were there to support the whole community, and although modern medicine has made some of then redundant most of them should be upheld (by Christians?) today!

Have a look at these, and adapt them to life here and now, and suddenly there just isn't any place for greedy, careless treatment of anybody. Ain't they beautiful? ......

Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22)
leave unreaped corners of fields/orchards for the poor (Lev.19:9)
Not to gather gleanings that have fallen while reaping (Lev. 19:9)
To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
Leave ol'loth of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21)
Not to gather single grapes that have fallen to ground (Lev.19:10)
To leave the single grapes of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10)
Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut. 24:19) and any fruit (Deut. 24:20)
To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20)
Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man (Deut. 15:7)
To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11)
Not to do wrong in buying or selling (Lev. 25:14)
To lend to a poor person (Ex. 22:24)
Not to demand from a poor man repayment debt, when the creditor knows that he cannot pay(Ex.22:24)
Not to take in pledge utensils used in preparing food (Deut.24:6)
Not to exact a pledge from a debtor by force (Deut. 24:10)
Not to keep the pledge from its owner at the time when he needs it (Deut. 24:12)
To return a pledge to its owner (Deut. 24:13)
Not to take a pledge from a widow (Deut. 24:17)
Not to commit fraud in measuring (Lev. 19:35)
To ensure that scales and weights are correct (Lev. 19:36)
Not to possess inaccurate measures and weights (Deut.25:13-14)
Not to delay payment of a hired man's wages (Lev. 19:13)
That the hired laborer shall be permitted to eat of the produce he is reaping (Deut. 23:25-26)
To pay wages to the hired man at the due time (Deut. 24:15)
Not to send away a servant empty handed, when freed from service (Deut. 15:13)
Bestow liberal gifts upon the bondsman and bondwoman (Deut. 15:14)
To release debts in the seventh year (Deut. 15:2)
Not to demand return of a loan after the Sabbatical year (Deut. 15:2)
Lend to a poor man, despite release in the Sabbatical year (Deut. 15:9)

[jordanriver]

hate the idiots.

...man,

uh,

oh well, whatever

[jordanriver]

hate the idiots.

...man,

uh,

oh well, whatever

sparko, I leave it between you and your Maker.

This is my last post. I'm not a paying customer anyway, got no right to post here,

I did try but you spit it back one time.

(ill be careful not to let the door hit me on the backside on my way out.)

it was fun, bye everybody.

[Sparko]

yeah, and there were people already here, and a government already here.
they didn't "love it or leave it"

THEY TOOK IT.

waaaaaah.

You keep giving examples of how other countries are doing exactly what you want and how great they are doing, like Denmark, Russia, Argentina, etc.

Yet you are still here. Go there and TAKE IT. Take the life you want. Don't sit on your rear and whine about how bad everything is here. Just go. Nobody will miss you. You will have the life of luxury that you deserve! You will be equal in status and pay with the highest ranking people in the country! You will never want for food or clothes, or cars, or big screen TVs, or hottubs and beer. It will be paradise according to you. So please, please go. I want you to be happy.

[Sparko]

hate the idiots.

...man,

uh,

oh well, whatever

Yah, I don't recall saying anything about "hate"

And yeah they ARE idiots to think they deserve $15/hour to flip a burger.

[Sparko]

sparko, I leave it between you and your Maker.

This is my last post. I'm not a paying customer anyway, got no right to post here,

I did try but you spit it back one time.

(ill be careful not to let the door hit me on the backside on my way out.)

it was fun, bye everybody.

Enjoy Argentina or Denmark.

[Spartacus]

Nobody has argued against charity and helping those in need.

This may seem like a quibble, but I'm pretty sure this is about justice, not charity (at least, charity in the colloquial sense).

[Sparko]

This may seem like a quibble, but I'm pretty sure this is about justice, not charity (at least, charity in the colloquial sense).

It is actually about greed. Wanting too much money for too little work. I am not putting down people who work at fast food places. I worked at a few when I was young myself. And a daughter of a friend of mine works at Wendy's and has moved up to assistant manager. She actually makes enough to have a nice apartment and raise a baby, along with her husband who also works as a manager at a different Wendy's. Together they make a decent living. But they worked hard for it, and moved up from the line and showed leadership skills. They didn't just whine and demand $15/hour to take orders and flip burgers. They improved their skills and EARNED more money. On the other hand, when I graduated school, I left fast food and took a job in the field that I was studying in, and moved up from there. I would love to make more money too, but I actually try to improve myself to be worthy of the increased pay. To be more valuable, not just to demand it and expect it because I need a new house, or a bigger car.

Helping those who need help, charity, isn't even a topic here, I have no idea where eider got that from.

To me "justice" is business owners recognizing talent and pay a decent wage for it. I think most businesses do that. some don't. I have worked for both. Nothing is worse than to be a hard worker, and not have your bosses recognize it, or reward it.

[Cow Poke]

I can genuinely say that there is no salary discrepancy between owners and moderators on tweb.

Theologyweb Salaries:
Owners: $0
Moderators: $0

Does that make us socialist, CP?

Not hardly. You have more bacon than most of us.

[eider]

Typical Paul..... making up the rules as he went along......?

Nobody has argued against charity and helping those in need. Just against idiots too stupid to work anywhere except flipping burgers and demanding the same pay as someone who actually went to school to learn a trade and has a skilled job. Thanks for all the straw though, we can build a bonfire later.

So the laws handed down by God are just straw?
If you discard those and grasp to others that you prefer, then you are cherry-picking your laws aren't you?
Anybody who goes out and works for a living deserves respect. Anybody who can't work deserves respect. Anybody who seeks works deserves respect.

But Fat-Cat bosses like Ed who earn fortunes for not doing much don't get mine...... that's all.

[Cow Poke]

Typical Paul..... making up the rules as he went along......?

Ah.... Eider doesn't like that scripture - must be made up!

So the laws handed down by God are just straw?

Them THAR Scriptures, he likes!

If you discard those and grasp to others that you prefer, then you are cherry-picking your laws aren't you?
Anybody who goes out and works for a living deserves respect. Anybody who can't work deserves respect. Anybody who seeks works deserves respect.

The Bible tells us that the REASON we work is so that we can have to give to those who are in need. But, you prolly think that was just "made up".

[eider]

Ah.... Eider doesn't like that scripture - must be made up!

Them THAR Scriptures, he likes!

The Bible tells us that the REASON we work is so that we can have to give to those who are in need. But, you prolly think that was just "made up".

So you don't focus too much on those ancient laws direct frrom God? Interesting.
Those laws, all 613 of 'em, are miraculous, because they were so perfect at that time that even the mere idea that humans could have figured them out, all alone, is miraculous in itself.
But if you disregard the ones shown above, grasping other that suit you better, that might look like cherry picking?

Now, Paul...... you grasp to his laws I see....... so I need to ask 'Was Paul your prophet?'
Jesus didn't talk like Paul, and Paul never really wrote about Jesus, his life, his words, etc in any detail.
I do respect Jesus....... but can't summon up a whole lot for Paul. That's just me.

[Cow Poke]

So you don't focus too much on those ancient laws direct frrom God? Interesting.

I believe the entire Bible is the Word of God, not just the parts I like.

Those laws, all 613 of 'em, are miraculous, because they were so perfect at that time that even the mere idea that humans could have figured them out, all alone, is miraculous in itself.
But if you disregard the ones shown above, grasping other that suit you better, that might look like cherry picking?

Are you always this ... um....

Now, Paul...... you grasp to his laws I see....... so I need to ask 'Was Paul your prophet?'
Jesus didn't talk like Paul, and Paul never really wrote about Jesus, his life, his words, etc in any detail.
I do respect Jesus....... but can't summon up a whole lot for Paul. That's just me.

So, that's it, eh? You don't believe the whole Bible.

[eider]

The Bible tells us that the REASON we work is so that we can have to give to those who are in need. But, you prolly think that was just "made up".

Well then.......... you could do what it says.
But supporting a 'so get $0 an hour!' rhetoric from an overpaid guy recently dumped from his last outfit with a HUGE payoff don't quite look like you're really into all that message in the bible..... does it? ....just sayin'....

[Cow Poke]

Well then.......... you could do what it says.
But supporting a 'so get $0 an hour!' rhetoric from an overpaid guy recently dumped from his last outfit with a HUGE payoff don't quite look like you're really into all that message in the bible..... does it? ....just sayin'....

You're goofy.

Just sayin'