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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostThis press release (and that's what it is, just PR from the group hosting this guy's talk) is short on details. The background is that certain neural support cells within the layer of nerves can act as lenses for the photoreceptors below them. This can help make up for the fact that there are nerves in between the photoreceptors and any light source.
Is this more efficient than simply putting the photoreceptors directly in the path of the light source? Or is it simply a partial compensation for the fact that the vertebrate eye is developmentally constrained in a way that forces the nerves to be in front? The PR doesn't say which is the case. Until that's looked into (assuming it hasn't been), then this doesn't really provide any information, regardless of whether you have an evolutionary or design perspective on the eye.
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostThat's the first thing I thought when reading the story. The poor design with the backwards wiring was locked in early in the vertebrate eye's evolutionary history. These focusing cells evolved much later as an adaption to try and make the best out of the poor starting layout. I was reminded of the fix done to the Hubble Space Telescope where the corrective lens was added well after the original flaw in the optical design was made.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSince when does the evolutionary process try and make the best out of anything?
This has nothing to do with what you're hinting at.
BTW, 1) how would a designer make the eye more "perfect"? and 2) didn't "perfection" get broken at the Fall?
C'mon, a good YEC defender like you should be able to answer these.
K54Last edited by klaus54; 03-02-2015, 09:43 AM.
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Originally posted by Jorge View PostThey'd rather disembowel themselves with a rusty machete that "admit" such a thing.
Never forget, "science" is just a ruse, it's actually about promoting their religious position.
Jorge
You're the bestest comedian, EVER!
K54
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Originally posted by seer View PostSince when does the evolutionary process try and make the best out of anything?Last edited by HMS_Beagle; 03-02-2015, 09:43 AM.
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post??? Since the process of evolution first began over 3.5 billion years ago. The feedback part of the genetic variations + selection process works to drive a population towards local fitness maxima. To that end it will ensure whatever configuration it started with gets optimized for reproductive success which usually means better performance in the local environment. That's what evolution does.Last edited by seer; 03-02-2015, 10:01 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf the process makes a population less fit and it goes extinct. It doesn't care or try to make the best of anything. We just get lucky or not.
1) Was the "perfection" of the human eye "broken" at the Fall? Yes or no?
2) If so, how would YOU improve the eye were you the Designer?
I know you'd rather argue nuances of vocabulary, but try to make an honest effort to address these questions.
Your buddy Jorge can have a go at 'em as well.
K54
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf the process makes a population less fit and it goes extinct. It doesn't care or try to make the best of anything. We just get lucky or not.
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostNo, the process never makes the population less fit. What often happens though is the optimization process makes the population highly specialized for one particular niche. Then if that niche changes or goes away entirely the population can't adapt quickly enough and goes extinct.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostJust like gravity doesn't try to make dropped objects fall towards the ground. It's just blind luck.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd yes, that is part of the process. The process does not "try to make the best" - it doesn't try to do anything. Just blind luck.
You don't understand how biological evolution works, and keep harping on this "random is random, chance is chance" garbage.
Oh, I see you don't care for my two questions (you probably have me on ignore):
1) How would YOU design an eye to be more "perfect"?
2) Didn't the "perfection" of the eye get "broken" at the Fall? In which case Jor's OP is a load of irrelevant hooey.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAre you simple? Tell me Beagle, why has our species survived while most of the species through out history gone extinct? Apart from blind luck?
There are numerous adaptations the led to "our" species surviving. A larger brain, nimble hands that gave the ability to make tools and clothing and fire so as to allow migration in colder climates, more...?
Learn how evolution works or shut your piehole!
K54
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Originally posted by seer View PostAre you simple? Tell me Beagle, why has our species survived while most of the species through out history gone extinct? Apart from blind luck?
Is it just blind luck that dropped objects fall to the ground?
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