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The Case for the soul.
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThankfully Shuny, we do not need science to KNOW that the soul exists...
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Originally posted by ChaosRain View PostNo, but you should at the very least have empirical evidence for it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI don't seer. Again read my posts in proper context. I believe in Methodological Naturalism, and expect nothing from science to demonstrate evidence for the existence of God nor the soul.
Good, so we both agree that the soul exists in spite of what "science says."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually seer, No. There remains a problem of you citing me out of context, and the fact that you still do not accept 'Methodological Naturalism.'Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is not the point Shuny. Are you claiming that we need science to confirm the soul, or that science can confirm the soul? Or do you agree that the soul exists in spite of what science says?
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy? Why would you even think that an immaterial soul would present such evidence.
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Originally posted by ChaosRain View PostThen not only must you prove that a soul exists, but you must also prove that the immaterial exists. Because, without evidence, you have nothing but faith, and as we all know, faith gets us nowhere.
I find nothing specifically wrong with Philosophical Naturalism, because it is based on sound science, but it is incomplete.
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this is all mixed up.
People who know they have a soul (because their Maker allowed them to know) cannot prove this to other people.
The only One who does the 'proving' is the Maker Himself, on an individual basis
i.e., when persons become born again.
To prove this to another person is like Wilbur trying to convince them Mr Ed talks.
....s' just the way it is.To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by ChaosRain View PostThen not only must you prove that a soul exists, but you must also prove that the immaterial exists. Because, without evidence, you have nothing but faith, and as we all know, faith gets us nowhere.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by ChaosRain View PostShow me something that is not scientifically valid that is true, and then we can discuss this. You have the Burden of Proof, not me.
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