Physics professor endorces Intelligent Design

[jordanriver]

What is difference of wiki link and a post with links from journals and books.

[jordanriver]

Q.
so. ...is universe going to die of heat death or not.

[shunyadragon]

What is difference of wiki link and a post with links from journals and books.

Actually I do not object to wiki links, but they are limited and we often need more first order science journal source.

[shunyadragon]

Q.
so. ...is universe going to die of heat death or not.

depends on which model or theorem you refer to. The BVG considers multiple universes in a multiverse, and all likely undergo heat death, or a general dissipation of the energy and matter into the matrix of the multiverse where more universes form from singularities. If Steinhardt's cyclic model is correct our universe does not have a heat death.

[Boxing Pythagoras]

What is difference of wiki link and a post with links from journals and books.

Journals provide the actual data which is being utilized. That data is the actual evidence for any claims made in cosmology. Therefore, when I ask for evidence regarding a cosmological model, I would prefer to actually receive that evidence.

I honestly don't have a problem with Wikipedia, in general, as it is usually good in providing its citations. However, the particular article to which Seer linked extrapolates from a popular news source which attempts to dumb down actual cosmology for a lay audience. That's three levels of abstraction away from the actual evidence which I had requested, and therefore fairly useless to the discussion.

[robrecht]

Q.
so. ...is universe going to die of heat death or not.

Yes.

[shunyadragon]

Yes.

If Steinhardt's cyclic model is valid, no.

[robrecht]

If Steinhardt's cyclic model is valid, no.

Are you assuming that one cannot rise again from death?

[shunyadragon]

Are you assuming that one cannot rise again from death?

I am assuming that it has not been determined yet what the end of the universe, or our physical existence all together is. Different possible cosmological models give different results. If Steinhardt's theorem is valid there is no heat death. If the BVG theorem is correct then all possible universes of the multiverse dissipate into the matrix, therefore heat death. There are other possible models and theorems in cosmology that give variable beginnings and endings. The bottom line is the question has not been answered yet, and it is unlikely that one will be provided in the near future, or possibly never.

[klaus54]

Q.
so. ...is universe going to die of heat death or not.

WHO knows, and why would a YEC like you care?

K54

[klaus54]

Are you assuming that one cannot rise again from death?

Theology, not science.

And the Christian notion of Resurrection has absolutely NOTHING to do with NATURAL science.

Please wise up...

K54

[robrecht]

I am assuming that it has not been determined yet what the end of the universe, or our physical existence all together is. Different possible cosmological models give different results. If Steinhardt's theorem is valid there is no heat death. If the BVG theorem is correct then all possible universes of the multiverse dissipate into the matrix, therefore heat death. There are other possible models and theorems in cosmology that give variable beginnings and endings. The bottom line is the question has not been answered yet, and it is unlikely that one will be provided in the near future, or possibly never.

Immune to humor, it seems. Would any living creature survive the end of one cycle and the beginning of the next in Steinhardt's model? No.

[seer]

Actually, I know the precise opposite, as I already stated.

Hurray, another oversimplification of complex physics which is targeted towards laymen.

I asked for physics or cosmology journals which describe the Big Bang as the absolute temporal past boundary of the universe. You know, the ones that actually have to present and interpret data rather than try to translate complex topics into a form that people outside the field can understand.

You are being disingenuous Boxing. In another thread you were given a quote and link from Stephen Hawking where he plainly said that the Big Bang was the "beginning" of time and space, of the universe. And all you could say was that you "disagree" with him. Really?

[robrecht]

Theology, not science.

And the Christian notion of Resurrection has absolutely NOTHING to do with NATURAL science.

Please wise up...

K54

I give up. You guys need to get a sense of humor or something.

[seer]

We do not know the universe is finite. You have been asked by a number of Twebbers and still have not presented the evidence that our physical existence has an absolute beginning (from nothing?!?!?!). Still waiting . . .

No Shuny, if you claim that something MORE than this universe exists then it is ON you to show it. But I understand you have a religious agenda since your faith teaches that matter and energy are eternal - it is only natural that you would want to defend your "beliefs."

BTW Shuny, in keeping with the purpose of this thread I will ask you again: your religion teaches that the universe is evidence for God. Do you agree?