Great New AronRa video, Evolution is a fact

[klaus54]

That is meaningless when it comes to actual application. How does probability distribution remove that fact that we were lucky to turn out the way we did or survive as a species in the first place?

You answered your own question. Without the many historical probability distributions of natural selection in ecosystem acting on genetic population diversity "we" (what do you mean by this???) would not have turned out the way "we" did.

K54

[seer]

Apparently "chance" means a zero probability of seer (or "We") turning out exactly the way he (or "We") did.

K54

What is the probability of us turning out the way we did? Compared to what? Based on what?

[JonF]

Planning. Emergence.

[HMS_Beagle]

That is meaningless when it comes to actual application. How does probability distribution remove that fact that we were lucky to turn out the way we did or survive as a species in the first place?

[klaus54]

What is the probability of us turning out the way we did? Compared to what? Based on what?

Who knows? It depends upon all the previous environments determined by plate tectonics, catastrophes, atmospheric and climate changes, cosmic rays, extant communities within ecosystems (food web from producers to top predators), etc.

And each of these environments gives a different *non-uniform* probability for survival based an extant set of alleles. The probability CAN be calculated for a particular allele in a particular species (Hardy-Weinberg).

Given all this, there is a very low probability that "we" (I assume you mean H. sapiens) turned out the way "we" did.

So what's the big deal?

K54

[seer]

Planning. Emergence.

What did the planning?

[seer]

Who knows? It depends upon all the previous environments determined by plate tectonics, catastrophes, atmospheric and climate changes, cosmic rays, extant communities within ecosystems (food web from producers to top predators), etc.

And each of these environments gives a different *non-uniform* probability for survival based an extant set of alleles. The probability CAN be calculated for a particular allele in a particular species (Hardy-Weinberg).

Given all this, there is a very low probability that "we" (I assume you mean H. sapiens) turned out the way "we" did.

So what's the big deal?

K54

Ok, so we turned out the way we did by chance.

[klaus54]

Ok, so we turned out the way we did by chance.

No!!! Random AND non-random factors. How many times do you have to be told this??!!

In your lexicon is "chance" the opposite of "complete determinism"???

It appears (and it has appears all along) that you make the fallacy of false dichotomy.

K54

P.S. ...And, God can use "chance" -- cf. Acts 1:23-26

[Roy]

No!!! Random AND non-random factors. How many times do you have to be told this??!!

Aleph-null.

You'll never get some-one to accept something if their main aim is dependent on them not accepting it.

Roy

[seer]

No!!! Random AND non-random factors. How many times do you have to be told this??!!

In your lexicon is "chance" the opposite of "complete determinism"???

It appears (and it has appears all along) that you make the fallacy of false dichotomy.

K54

P.S. ...And, God can use "chance" -- cf. Acts 1:23-26

And what is the non-random part? Natural selection? Even so we still have chance results. And chance would not be chance to God.

[klaus54]

And what is the non-random part? Natural selection? Even so we still have chance results. And chance would not be chance to God.

OK, big deal.

Attribute the non-chance part to God if you wish. But then is it direct intervention or grand design or purely ontologically natural? How could you tell? And why would you care?

Jesus had a human body regardless of the history of life.

K54

[JonF]

Organisms with that capability. Did you plan where you live or did yuo roll dice to choose?

[JonF]

Natural selection is a non-uniform probability distribution which interacts with non-uniformly-distributed variation to produce results and are not random (in the aggregate of a population, not for individuals). Just as casinos can predict nearly-exactly how much money they will make each day.

[seer]

Organisms with that capability. Did you plan where you live or did yuo roll dice to choose?

No, I made an intelligent choice.

[seer]

Natural selection is a non-uniform probability distribution which interacts with non-uniformly-distributed variation to produce results and are not random (in the aggregate of a population, not for individuals). Just as casinos can predict nearly-exactly how much money they will make each day.

Yes, but they can not predict individual outcomes. They do not know what hand I will draw, that is chance, just as it was chance the way we turned out.