Couple things. Some theologians like William Lane Craig posit that God existed outside of time sans the universe, and stepped within time with the creation of the universe.
There's a distinction between "Intelligent Design", made popular by the Discovery Institute, and which serves as a rival to the theory of evolution, and "intelligent design" that encompasses teleological arguments for the fine tuning of the universe. It sounds like this thread is attempting to conflate the two, when they're not necessarily the same. So, for instance, there are plenty of theists that accept teleological arguments, yet reject DI's ID.
There's a distinction between "Intelligent Design", made popular by the Discovery Institute, and which serves as a rival to the theory of evolution, and "intelligent design" that encompasses teleological arguments for the fine tuning of the universe. It sounds like this thread is attempting to conflate the two, when they're not necessarily the same. So, for instance, there are plenty of theists that accept teleological arguments, yet reject DI's ID.
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