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"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostIf something's been verified by multiple research groups using different approaches, I wouldn't consider that faith. I mean, do you consider it a matter of faith that electrons exist?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHave you ever seen an electron? Or done any experiments that prove they exist?"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostI've done experiments in organic chemistry that were unlikely to work if electrons didn't exist. And i've owned CRT displays. So yes.
As far as CRT displays go, you are just seeing phosphors light up when an electric charge hits them. There is no evidence that the electric charge is made up of electrons. Could be magical beans for all you know.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat kind of experiments and why would they not work if electrons did not exist?
As far as CRT displays go, you are just seeing phosphors light up when an electric charge hits them. There is no evidence that the electric charge is made up of electrons. Could be magical beans for all you know."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostLook, i get what you're trying to do. I've got better things to do than to go down the rabbit hole of all the consequences of pi bonding and valence electrons, or the engineering behind the electron delivery system of a CRT. We have a different definition of what constitutes faith - why is that a problem for you?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostFaith is trusting the evidence you have is true.
There is an interesting scientific issue here that may be worth bringing forward, though. I think it's fair to say that, in both our personal experiences, there has to be either electrons or something that's practically indistinguishable from them. Add in the experiences and research of others, and the case becomes far more decisive. We don't know, however, how many incompatible physical models are consistent with all those observations. It's actually a major unresolved issue in the philosophy of science, and it has consequences for the significance we ascribe to the fact that a model makes successful predictions.
That said, i'm not especially committed to our current model of the electron being the ONE AND ONLY right one, so it's interesting but not consequential to me."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI consider it a matter of faith that other people exist. I trust (i.e I have faith in them) that my senses are not deceiving me when it comes to the existence of people other than myself. Every single one of our beliefs are contingent upon faith, even the ones for which we have the most solid evidence."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostEpicycles were a good explanation for the orbits of the planets once upon a time, but now we know they don't exist.
So, your statement's somewhat off because it's not clear how many people ever viewed epicycles as how the solar system worked (though a few clearly did)."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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