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Originally posted by hansgeorg View PostHave you seen the instant stratification experiments by the French Colleague of yours?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PVnBaqqQw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBv-4jrzmNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGB_uMRNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG6tfolc1i4
Note the water in these experiments is very clear indicating only different sizes of sand, and no clay and silt. Flood waters would be very at least muddy and contain a wide range of sediment sizes. Actually catastrophic flooding would a jumble of everything wih little or no order or stratification like ome of the deposits of regional flooding observed when the glaciers of the Ice Age melted,Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-24-2017, 06:46 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI wanted to add that these experiments are high school and freshman college demonstrations juxtaposition deposition in water and wind blown sand deposits, for more then fifty years at least. No actual new meaningful research here.
Note the water in these experiments is very clear indicating only different sizes of sand, and no clay and silt. Flood waters would be very at least muddy and contain a wide range of sediment sizes. Actually catastrophic flooding would a jumble of everything wih little or no order or stratification like ome of the deposits of regional flooding observed when the glaciers of the Ice Age melted,
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI think Stoke's Law would still come into play with larger particles settling faster than smaller ones. A global flood ought to result in a worldwide band with heavier sediments at the bottom and lighter sediments on top.
This probably true for after the flood retreated, but the flood itself would be catastrophic like the post Ice Age regional floods leaving regions devastated, and the initial deposit would truly chaotic and huge.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-24-2017, 09:07 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAll materials regardless of size and density respond to the same physics of deposition.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe influence of gravity and the velocity of the water determine the different settling rates of different size and density of the particles.
I think the instant varving of the Guy Berthault experiments suggests some other component top the physics. Like implications about instant varving, implications about saturation forcing deposit.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is the reason sandstone deposits do not contain silt nor clay. The smallest, and less dense clay requires still waters to settle out at much slower rate over time, and that is why varved clay deposits only form in lakes and inland waters that are relatively calm.
Not claiming he repeated these on clay or silt.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIf the water has any velocity at all the clay will stay in suspension.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs Wikipedia explains:
Loess and paleosols require pretty dry conditions to form and accumulate which is not what one would find during a global flood.
As I stated when jpholding was dissing wiki too much, wikipedia is a great source for consensus level of knowledge on each subject in any given language. And in English, obviously, Flood geology is not consensus. Hence, wiki is not a good source if you want to know how a Flood Geologist approaches things.
I have seen speculations over at CMI that certain grounds were part time lifted up above waves and then drowned again, which would be one way of accounting for even strictly aeolian formation. But, as said, there is (on my non-specialist view) a saturation at which even 20-50 micrometer sized particles will precipitate even if involved in high speed water.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA global flood ought to result in a worldwide band with heavier sediments at the bottom and lighter sediments on top.
Stoke's law would probably apply in waters much calmer than the ones we consider here.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostCarbon dating is not relevant to any of the above, which represent the mostly the misuse or misinterpretation of the Carbon dating method.
If the things had been dated by other methods, they would have been dating to millions of years, not just myriads.
You can say "carbon dating is misisued" on such occasions, but you can't deny that with that amount of C14 remaining and taking C14 method on its usual terms, such are the ages you get and not those famous millions of years.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostStoke's Law is what the references hansgeorge neglected involving silt and clay deposition as opposed to just sand in their experiments.
This probably true for after the flood retreated, but the flood itself would be catastrophic like the post Ice Age regional floods leaving regions devastated, and the initial deposit would truly chaotic and huge.
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Originally posted by hansgeorg View PostLook up the experiment of Guy Berthault before invoking it next time, I gave you videos.
Stoke's law would probably apply in waters much calmer than the ones we consider here.
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Originally posted by hansgeorg View Post
Kudos for citing wikipedia. Less kudos for relying on it so totally.
As I stated when jpholding was dissing wiki too much, wikipedia is a great source for consensus level of knowledge on each subject in any given language. And in English, obviously, Flood geology is not consensus.
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Originally posted by hansgeorg View PostLook up the experiment of Guy Berthault before invoking it next time, I gave you videos.
Stoke's law would probably apply in waters much calmer than the ones we consider here.
Still waiting . . .
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Originally posted by hansgeorg View PostI think the instant varving of the Guy Berthault experiments suggests some other component top the physics. Like implications about instant varving, implications about saturation forcing deposit.
You need to explain 'saturation forcing deposit (?), because there is no such thing in natural deposits as shown in Berthault's experiments.
Except under the kind of conditions suggested by the Guy Berthault experiment.
Not claiming he repeated these on clay or silt.
Kudos for citing wikipedia. Less kudos for relying on it so totally.
As I stated when jpholding was dissing wiki too much, wikipedia is a great source for consensus level of knowledge on each subject in any given language. And in English, obviously, Flood geology is not consensus. Hence, wiki is not a good source if you want to know how a Flood Geologist approaches things.
Geologic formations of silt size particles are called siltstone.
I have seen speculations over at CMI that certain grounds were part time lifted up above waves and then drowned again, which would be one way of accounting for even strictly aeolian formation. But, as said, there is (on my non-specialist view) a saturation at which even 20-50 micrometer sized particles will precipitate even if involved in high speed water.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-25-2017, 09:12 AM.
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Originally posted by hansgeorg View PostLook up the experiment of Guy Berthault before invoking it next time, I gave you videos.
Stoke's law would probably apply in waters much calmer than the ones we consider here.
Absolutely no evidence of a Genesis flood.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-25-2017, 10:44 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI looked at Guy Berthault's experiments and they only apply to juxtaposition deposition of sands within sandstone deposits and formations. If you have any references that show experiments using silt and clay please provide them. There is absolutely no objective evidence that juxtaposition deposition shown in the experiments apply to clays.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNothing in Berthault's experiments deals with clay varving nor other natural clay deposits. They do not suggest anything of the sort. He only used sand in his experiments.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou need to explain 'saturation forcing deposit (?), because there is no such thing in natural deposits as shown in Berthault's experiments.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGeologic formations of silt size particles are called siltstone.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSpeculation will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds for $2.00 unless you are over 60.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe clear answer from science based on Stoke's Law is no, silt and clay size particles do not behave the same as sand in the experiments cited. Clay size particles 0.1 - 50 microns do not precipitate in high or even moderate speed waters,
Ideally mixing different grain sizes, so as to repeat the Berthault experiment's condition.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View Postwhich is the reason that sandstone, sand dunes, and beaches contain only sand like in Berthault's high school experiments.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
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