A proof for the Stationary Earth

[oxmixmudd]

Lets say they have done as you say. G Waves invalidate NM, because there is no time required for G to act throughout the universe.

JM

John - the fact Newtonian Physics has been supplanted by Relativity is old news. The continued use of NM for problems at 'normal' (non-relativistic) speeds and mass densities is simply a matter of convenience. The differences in the calculated results are minor to non-existent in most cases and the difference in the complexity of the mathematics is many cases significant. So it is a waste of time and effort to do the relativistic calculations for that extra .000001% accuracy.

Again - you simply chose to ignore or don't understand the concept of "relative magnitude".

Jim

[HMS_Beagle]

BTW, since John can't understand or even be educated...

Jim

You could have stopped right there.

[oxmixmudd]

And if he drove from Italy to London, he would not have to compensate for the change in W-E wind speed or get blown off the road, because his car would be changing it's W-E speed along with the air and the ground as he drove because of friction. Same thing with the air plane. I think John gets it, but wants to play dumb.

And the answer to THAT question remains one of the great unsolved mysteries of the TWEB universe

Jim

[Sparko]

Newtonian free fall is defined as -



Counter - Newtonian Mechanics assumes gravity is caused by a mass attraction, instantaneously over any distance. Unsolvable problems

1) The mass attraction is assumed, but the cause of such mass attraction has no experimental basis. As such mass attraction is an unscientific, non experiment based, maths fiction.

2) The force caused by mass attraction occurs without a medium between bodies. To cause without a medium between bodies is absurd.

3) The force caused by mass attraction occurs instantaneously. Such instantaneous causation has no known physical model, nor no known experimental verification, nor no known idealized mechanism.

The problems with NM make the free fall definition a science fantasy.

Also -

Relativistic free fall is defined as -



Counter - Relativistic Physics is only based upon a thought experiment which has the following problems

1) The S-T continuum is merely a maths construct which assumes a Cartesian co-ordinate system along with an extra variable, t. The extra variable t is merely a fictional variable imposed along with variables of x, y, z. The S-T maths requires its believers to have faith that x, y, z as lengths, are some how associated with another variable, t, which is not a length. Such a system is merely a maths based belief system.

2) The variable t is placed within the system to ensure light is always at c. Such a system assumes what must be proven and is therefore fallacious. Subsequent experiments that purport to provide evidence for light at c whilst using R theory are also fallacious, by assuming the theory is true with its variable value of t, and using the maths of R in the experiment.

3) The R theory assumes from a thought experiment that lengths contract in the direction in which a body moves. Such an assumption is merely the projection of a thought experiment into reality. In reality, bodies always remain the same length when in motion.

4) R theory requires mass change when a body moves. Such mass change is merely a maths fiction, which requires its adherents to make an act of faith.


Also we note free fall is defined in diverse manners in diverse theories. The diverse theories indicate that free fall is really only a maths fiction, and as such does not explain reality. As free fall does not explain reality, then free fall does not explain the problems associated with the geo orbits.

As such, the geo orbit claims and geo orbit maths are all false. As usual, the mainstream physics is simply crap dressed up as maths.

JM

John there is a medium between the objects regarding gravity. It is called "space"

Gravity is a bending of space around a mass, like a ball sitting on a rubber sheet will create a dent and cause other smaller objects to fall toward the object creating the dent.

By the way, what medium do magnetic fields travel through? You can create a vacuum in a jar and put a magnet and a piece of metal in it and the magnet will still attract the metal through a perfect vacuum.

and it has been shown that gravity is not instantaneous over any distance. It acts at the speed of light. So if the sun were to disappear all of a sudden, the earth would not feel the difference in the sun's gravity for about 8 minutes.

[HMS_Beagle]

And if he drove from Italy to London, he would not have to compensate for the change in W-E wind speed or get blown off the road, because his car would be changing it's W-E speed along with the air and the ground as he drove because of friction. Same thing with the air plane. I think John gets it, but wants to play dumb.

Ah, the age old question returns. Is JohnMartin incredibly addle-brained or just trolling?

[Leonhard]

I think JohnMartin is quite sincecere. He's highly active across a large number of websites, along with another crank who goes by the handle Geremia. His posts are too long, and too meticulously written to be merely troll posts, and its reminiscent of logic seen by other cranks who believe this. Its not that dissimilar from those who think the Earth is flat.

[Sparko]

Ah, the age old question returns. Is JohnMartin incredibly addle-brained or just trolling?

well he can actually do math, just uses it wrongly. But he has to have at least some sense to use it at all. So he isn't stupid. He is either willfully ignorant on the topic of a heliocentric universe and physics or he is merely trolling.

Choose 1:

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[Roy]

3) The force caused by mass attraction occurs instantaneously. Such instantaneous causation has no known physical model, nor no known experimental verification, nor no known idealized mechanism.

In this universe, gravity propagates at the speed of light.

[Roy]

Force = 29,932 x 14.38 = 430.4 kN

Is that 29932 a random number?

Force = 16,800 x 14.38 = 241.58 kN

I'll take that as a "Yes".

Next question: Is that 14.38 also a random number?

[Roy]

Now the 747 became a hornet?

Okaaaay....

John, if something is moving with the atmosphere, then there IS no pressure being felt by the object. You only feel pressure if there is a speed difference. Like the pressure felt on the plane in the direction it is traveling. The rotational direction has no pressure because the plane is moving at the same speed rotationally as the atmosphere. It is embedded in the atmosphere. If there is a 5 MPH tail wind and you are walking 5MPH in the direction of the wind, guess what? You would feel no wind.

Hmmm...

Technically, if a plane steers directly northwards towards the equator through still air it does experience a sideways force caused by the Coriolos effect on the atmosphere. However this is resolved either by the plane being pushed off course, which leads to it following a curving path; or, if the pilot corrects for this force, by the plane being steered slightly east of north. In neither case does the atmosphere exert a sideways pressure on the plane that causes eddies.

I must remember to update JM's cluelessness list over the weekend.

[Roy]

well he can actually do math, just uses it wrongly.

He can't do math. I have yet to see any non-trivial calculation from him that didn't include at least one glaring error. His latest 'calculation' consists of multiplying two random numbers together. He doesn't understand units. He doesn't understand that percentages should sum to 100. A couple of years ago he calculated 2*pi = 6.14 twice in the same post.

JM couldn't do maths if his life depended on it.

Roy

[Yttrium]

The force caused by mass attraction occurs without a medium between bodies. To cause without a medium between bodies is absurd.

Interesting. So in JohnMartinian physics, gravity needs a medium of some form of matter between two bodies for a force to exist between those two bodies. This is undoubtedly related to the principle that thrusters can only operate in a medium in JohnMartinian physics. One would assume, then, that other planets are not bound to the solar system by gravity, but are propelled along by JohnMartinian aether. It must just be a coincidence that the convoluted paths they all follow around the Earth fit the math of the law of gravity as if they were in orbit around the Sun. Go figure.

[DesertBerean]

Any that have the problems which include theories that contradict other theories within the same discipline. For example red shift within cosmology means recession velocity within the standard model. But redshift can also mean several other causes, which are antithetical to the standard model. Also expansion of space has never been tested experimentally, which means the standard model is largely a maths fiction, not aligned with the scientific method.

JM

hmmm...and is there no fiction used in NM? I really am curious, honest.

[HMS_Beagle]

Interesting. So in JohnMartinian physics, gravity needs a medium of some form of matter between two bodies for a force to exist between those two bodies. This is undoubtedly related to the principle that thrusters can only operate in a medium in JohnMartinian physics. One would assume, then, that other planets are not bound to the solar system by gravity, but are propelled along by JohnMartinian aether. It must just be a coincidence that the convoluted paths they all follow around the Earth fit the math of the law of gravity as if they were in orbit around the Sun. Go figure.

This is what makes me think JM is just trolling.

I can see how someone uneducated might think the Earth is stationary and the universe rotates around it.

I can kinda even see how someone uneducated might perceive the Earth as being flat.

How in the world can someone not understand gravity? Even newborn babies have a grasp gravity. How can you get through your day without ever seeing and feeling gravity's effects??

[Cerebrum123]

This is what makes me think JM is just trolling.

I can see how someone uneducated might think the Earth is stationary and the universe rotates around it.

I can kinda even see how someone uneducated might perceive the Earth as being flat.

How in the world can someone not understand gravity? Even newborn babies have a grasp gravity. How can you get through your day without ever seeing and feeling gravity's effects??

If it's so obvious, why didn't gravitational theories show up much sooner in human history? I mean, yeah, we understand it as obvious now, but I don't see how it's different than the other things you mention.