Is the Earth Flat? - Some Evidence Presented

[JohnMartin]

Every case was an instance of atmospheric refraction too. No flat earth to be seen.

OWN GOAL MOONBAT MARTIN!

But that an eclipse of the moon arises from a shadow of the earth, is a statement in every respect, because unproved, unsatisfactory. The earth has been proved to be without orbital or axial motion; and, therefore, it could never come between the sun and the moon. The earth is also proved to be a plane, always underneath the sun and moon; and, therefore, to speak of its intercepting the light of the sun, and thus casting its own shadow on the moon, is to say that which is physically impossible.

Rowbotham (Parallax), Samuel Birley (2015-10-07). Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe (Illustrated Edition) (Kindle Locations 1709-1713).

JM

[Roy]

Done. Also added thermometers, Reunion, and the Apollo program.

These are a few of my favorite things.


JM

Rockets and thrusters and thermodynamics,
Radiodating and orbit mechanics,
Jetstreams and atmospheres, rivers and mist,
All can be found on the cluelessness list.

Apollo moonshots and genetic drifting,
Pure mathematics and starlight redshifting,
Natural selection and tourmaline schist,
All can be found on the cluelessness list.

Baroness Orczy and basic biology,
Apes, bats, bears, ibises, sperm and theology,
Satellite systems whose orbits persist,
All can be found on the cluelessness list.

When John Martin starts to insist
Something must be wrong,
I simply add it to the cluelessness list,
And all day long!

Roy

[JohnMartin]

Rockets and thrusters and thermodynamics,
Radiodating and orbit mechanics,
Jetstreams and atmospheres, rivers and mist,
All can be found on the cluelessness list.

Apollo moonshots and genetic drifting,
Pure mathematics and starlight redshifting,
Natural selection and tourmaline schist,
All can be found on the cluelessness list.

Baroness Orczy and basic biology,
Apes, bats, bears, ibises, sperm and theology,
Satellite systems whose orbits persist,
All can be found on the cluelessness list.

When John Martin starts to insist
Something must be wrong,
I simply add it to the cluelessness list,
And all day long!

Roy

So says the atheist, who cannot account for anything with his atheism. A rather large double standard here. No universal cause of being. No reason for being, therefore no science. Therefore everything is a mindless superstition. Roy cannot account for the existence of any science at all.

If you want to know something about reality then don't go to the pin head world view held by superstitious Roy.

JM

[Sparko]

"On the 20th of April, 1837, the moon appeared to rise eclipsed before the sun had set. The same phenomenon was observed on the 20th of September, 1717." [22] McCulloch's Geography, p. 85.

"In the lunar eclipses of July 17th, 1590; November 3rd, 1648; June 16th, 1666; and May 26th, 1668; the moon rose eclipsed whilst the sun was still apparently above the horizon. Those horizontal eclipses were noticed as early as the time of Pliny." [23]

"Illustrated London Almanack for 1864," the astronomical articles in which are by James Glaisher, Esq., of the Greenwich Royal Observatory.

JM

those quotes are from a ridiculous flat earther book. find us those quotes at the original sources. i am betting they are made up. but even if not, atmospheric refraction can allow the sun and moon to be in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse.

but under NO circumstances can there be a lunar eclipse with a flat earth. your trying to distract from that fact is noted and dismissed.

[JohnMartin]

Also, if the world is flat, and the moon orbits above the "equator" then everyone in the northern hemisphere would only see the "nearside" of the moon, and everyone on the southern hemisphere would see the farside of the moon when it was orbiting near them and the "nearside" when the moon was opposite their location on the flat earth. That doesnt happen.

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Everyone would see the bottom of the moon and in both upward and inverted viewings of the same side, depending upon the viewer location on earth, which you have denied on another post.

Two global earther objections debunked.

JM

[klaus54]

The arc may appear on a flat earth as well because your horizon is dictated by an equidistant line of sight, which forms a circular shape. You see the circular shape and think its curvature, when in fact its only an optical illusion created by the circular horizon.

You have ignored refraction and any other associated light phenomena such as perspective and convergence and mirages etc. The experiment is not scientific and assumes much.

You have also ignored flat earth evidence that show entire areas of cites which are seen from long distances. Such is not explainable on the global earth model.

JM

Why would the horizon be circular? Can you see all the way to the "edge" of Earth from anywhere?

Show the maths.

[klaus54]

Everyone would see the bottom of the moon and in both upward and inverted viewings of the same side, depending upon the viewer location on earth, which you have denied on another post.

Two global earther objections debunked.

JM

No, not everyone in fact not anyone.

Name two positions on a flat Earth where an observer at the first sees the Moon upside down with respec to the view of the second observer.

[klaus54]

So says the atheist, who cannot account for anything with his atheism. A rather large double standard here. No universal cause of being. No reason for being, therefore no science. Therefore everything is a mindless superstition. Roy cannot account for the existence of any science at all.

If you want to know something about reality then don't go to the pin head world view held by superstitious Roy.

JM

But he sure as h-e-double toothpicks can explain how the natural world works via science.

Helio wins!!!

[Sparko]

Everyone would see the bottom of the moon and in both upward and inverted viewings of the same side, depending upon the viewer location on earth, which you have denied on another post.

Two global earther objections debunked.

JM

no they would not. if they only saw the bottom, then there could not even be any solar eclipses since we could not see the side of the moon. and it doesn't explain why you in the southern hemisphere see the same face of the moon as we in the north, yet you see it upside down and never rightside up. same with the common constellations, and why we can see the big dipper but you cant. polaris appears over the north pole so it should be visible from all over on a flat earth, yet you cant see it but I can.

[Sparko]

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also if the sun acts like a spotlight and only illuminates a certain portion of the earth as in the illustration, the its light would not reach the moon and we would never see a lighted moon. if the sunlight did reach the moon, that would mean the sun would light up the entire northern hemisphere at once, at the minimum.

[klaus54]

The horizon meets the eye for the horizon is level with the eye and not at a downward angle as expected with the globe model.

JM

The horizon would be at a downward angle when viewed from elevation in the F-E "model".

Actually what IS the horizon in the F-E "model"?

[Sparko]

if the sun revolves around the earth every day in the geo and flat earth model, then what is a YEAR?

[Raphael]

The horizon would be at a downward angle when viewed from elevation in the F-E "model".

Actually what IS the horizon in the F-E "model"?

The Rim. Along which a few enterprising folk have built the circumfence, allowing them to capture all sorts of detritus (and occasional wizzards) before it goes over the edge

[Sparko]

The Rim. Along which a few enterprising folk have built the circumfence, allowing them to capture all sorts of detritus (and occasional wizzards) before it goes over the edge

true. we even have a nasa video of the real world.

[klaus54]

The Rim. Along which a few enterprising folk have built the circumfence, allowing them to capture all sorts of detritus (and occasional wizzards) before it goes over the edge

Cool!

So one can see all the way to the "rim" of Earth from anywhere.

It would have made long distance navigation much easier before GPS.