From a theistic perspective, what is dark energy? Is it the expansion of the universe that God preprogrammed into creation? And anyone know about dark matter? What other science questions would you love to theoretically ask God for the answer? No debating please! And I reserve the right to keep the thread from getting too weird.
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Due to the rash of recent "hostile" threads, the Cosmogony forum guidelines have been updated in an effort to 1) Clarify the purpose of this forum and 2) to prevent a repeat of the recent unpleasantries.
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Dark energy is the name given the energy to explain the local expansion of the universe being faster than the predicted Hubble expansion.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
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basically dark matter and energy are "fudge factors" used to explain holes in our current understanding and math regarding the universe. Neither has ever been detected. It will probably end up with new math and concepts that explain things like the expansion speed of the universe without dark matter or energy.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postbasically dark matter and energy are "fudge factors" used to explain holes in our current understanding and math regarding the universe. Neither has ever been detected. It will probably end up with new math and concepts that explain things like the expansion speed of the universe without dark matter or energy.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Dark matter is what is called the needed and unseen mass in the universe. Dark matter has been imaged and given location by means its observed gravity. The gravitational lensing is measured and made into an image.
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The blue in the image is the imaged dark matter.Last edited by 37818; 12-13-2016, 08:20 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostDark matter is what is called the needed and unseen mass in the universe. Dark matter has been imaged and given location by means its observed gravity. The gravitational lensing is measured and made into an image.
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The blue in the image is the imaged dark matter.
They THEORIZE it is caused by Dark Matter. It still has not been observed or proven.
Basically what you are saying is like astronomers using the charts of the retrograde orbits of the planets to prove that epicycles were real. Dark matter may or may not be real. But as of now it is just the explanation for there seeming to be more mass in the universe than we can directly see.
Now as to CBW's question about how does it affect Christianity? I have no idea. Maybe it is the mass of the spirit world? Yeah that sounds crackpot.Last edited by Sparko; 12-13-2016, 09:05 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postno, it is, as you said, gravitational lensing effect, shown via computer graphics.
They THEORIZE it is caused by Dark Matter. It still has not been observed or proven.
Basically what you are saying is like astronomers using the charts of the retrograde orbits of the planets to prove that epicycles were real. Dark matter may or may not be real. But as of now it is just the explanation for there seeming to be more mass in the universe than we can directly see.
Now as to CBW's question about how does it affect Christianity? I have no idea. Maybe it is the mass of the spirit world? Yeah that sounds crackpot.
http://www.darkmatterphysics.com/Gal...l-galaxies.htmLast edited by 37818; 12-13-2016, 11:11 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSpiral galaxies rotated like sold wheels instead of what was expected by law of gravity. Only by the addition of mass did the law of gravity as understood work as expected, the needed added mass was called dark matter.
Nobody knows what dark matter is. It is just a label for unknown mass needed to explain certain observations. I personally think it makes more sense to believe that it is a flaw in our science and formulas, than there is some mysterious matter out there that we can't see or detect in any way but it has mass and yet no other physicality.
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I was watching a show on the Science channel regarding Dark Matter and the scientists interviewed even said they had no idea what it was, and it could turn out to be nonexistent if a better theory came along. It is a fudge factor. It could be real or it could not be. I am leaning toward not, because it is too weird. Invisible mass? all around us, but we can't see it or measure it?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey are doing the same thing now with a search for a planet beyond Pluto to explain abberations in it's orbit. Could be real, could be fudge.
I was watching a show on the Science channel regarding Dark Matter and the scientists interviewed even said they had no idea what it was, and it could turn out to be nonexistent if a better theory came along. It is a fudge factor. It could be real or it could not be. I am leaning toward not, because it is too weird. Invisible mass? all around us, but we can't see it or measure it?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWe can generally only see matter because it radiates or reflects energy. Dark matter is only dark because it does not do so at detectable levels. We can infer its presence where it partially blocks light (interstellar dust clouds) or causes gravitational lensing (presumably something massive like a black hole). The fudge factor is whether or not there is enough of it to cause, e.g., the galactic rotational effects we observe.
also "dark" in Dark matter and energy doesn't refer to it being dark, but being "unknown"
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt supposedly makes up the majority of the universe. Yet we can't see it. It also means that it should be right here among us. So why can't we find it on Earth? or in our Solar System? Why does it only exist "out there?" Why are we so special that it doesn't exist right here?
also "dark" in Dark matter and energy doesn't refer to it being dark, but being "unknown"Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostMatter in the solar system is generally close enough to the sun and reflective enough that it can eventually be spotted, and thus is not "dark."
Well, it's unknown because we can't see it - i.o.w., it's dark.
More is unknown than is known. We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the universe's expansion. Other than that, it is a complete mystery. But it is an important mystery. It turns out that roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe. Come to think of it, maybe it shouldn't be called "normal" matter at all, since it is such a small fraction of the universe.
https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysic...is-dark-energy
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