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Deeper Waters is founded on the belief that the Christian community has long been in the shallow end of Christianity while there are treasures of the deep waiting to be discovered. Too many in the shallow end are not prepared when they go out beyond those waters and are quickly devoured by sharks. We wish to aid Christians to equip them to navigate the deeper waters of the ocean of truth and come up with treasure in the end.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostMe no doctor. Me obviously too stupid to recognize cure! Only doctors can recognize cures!
That must be why so many of the miracles do have medical documentation.
You could try reading it, but that would require you thinking and engaging with a book that contradicts your worldview and you have to stay insulated in it.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostMe no doctor. Me obviously too stupid to recognize cure! Only doctors can recognize cures!
That must be why so many of the miracles do have medical documentation.
You could try reading it, but that would require you thinking and engaging with a book that contradicts your worldview and you have to stay insulated in it.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostThey do NOT have proper medical documentation and verification, Nick. You just don't understand the very stringent process for verifying a new "cure". Just because an MD puts his signature on a miracle claim does NOT make it a fact.
What other books do you know all about without having to read them?
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostWell we've already unplugged the TV and got them packed, but it's fine. I have the Gary show to watch here. He somehow thinks I take him seriously. (Or that anyone else does for that matter)
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Originally posted by Gary View PostAnd no educated, non-brainwashed person takes you seriously, Nick. I dare you to do this: Write to any national (non-religious affiliated) medical specialty organization and ask them their position on the medical cure claims in Keener's book. Ask them if medicine has confirmed the reality of supernatural (miracle) cures.
Seriously dude. We're all laughing at you. If you want to try to convince Christians, you have to do much better than this.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI wanna be like Gary when I grow up. I want to have all knowledge of what a book says without even having to read it! That must be a nice gift!
What other books do you know all about without having to read them?
It is very sad that such an intelligent person has been taught to believe that this silly nonsense is reality.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI dare you to read the book. Doctors are not in a place to answer questions of metaphysics like that unfortunately. Medicine can only tell you what happens when agents of a materialistic sort are applied. They cannot tell you otherwise.
Seriously dude. We're all laughing at you. If you want to try to convince Christians, you have to do much better than this.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
Let me know when you get out of that bubble and actually start to read scholarship.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostSo what you are claiming is that medicine cannot examine or question your miracle cures??? So exactly why should I read them then? You are asking me to believe them based on what?
A doctor cannot tell you how it came about necessarily. They could only confirm that yes, he has good vision now and yes, he was blind before. The metaphysical question is out of their reach.
Also, you do not have to be a doctor to know that going from being blind to being able to see is a cure.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostI am attempting an intervention with you, Nick. I am trying to rescue you from a very deceptive cult. I am trying to bring you into the light of reason and science and out of the darkness of invisible good ghosts and bad ghosts competing for control of your brain (soul).
No different than a street preacher decrying evolution.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostNo. I am saying you could examine the cures. I am saying that medicine cannot tell you about metaphysical questions. Let's suppose that there is a person who has been blind all their life and then they go to their local church. The church prays over them in the name of Jesus and then as soon as they're done praying, the person's eyes are opened and they can see.
A doctor cannot tell you how it came about necessarily. They could only confirm that yes, he has good vision now and yes, he was blind before. The metaphysical question is out of their reach.
Also, you do not have to be a doctor to know that going from being blind to being able to see is a cure.
So do you have a case of someone being cured of congenital blindness by prayer, IN THIS COUNTRY, that I can review?
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