tabibito saying "The things you are posting are not errors" maybe true in this post. However, an irrefutable error is found in the contradiction between 2 Chronicles 22:2 and 2 Kings 8:26. According to 2 Kings 8:26, "Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign" whereas in 2 Chronicles 22:2 (KJV & RSV), "Ahaziah was age 42 when when he began to reign".
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Posttabibito saying "The things you are posting are not errors" maybe true in this post. However, an irrefutable error is found in the contradiction between 2 Chronicles 22:2 and 2 Kings 8:26. According to 2 Kings 8:26, "Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign" whereas in 2 Chronicles 22:2 (KJV & RSV), "Ahaziah was age 42 when when he began to reign".
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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MT reads 42 years at 2 Chr 22:2 - but that looks like a scribal correction to reconcile the records.
In the Hebrew texts that I have available, the numbers are written as words, not as numerals1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostLet’s see if Same knows how Hebrews wrote numbers.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_chronicles/22-2.htm
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Originally posted by Same Old Stupid Hakeem View PostThey wrote numbers in the form of words. Please refer to the following link of the Hebrew-English of 2 Chronicles 22:2.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_chronicles/22-2.htm
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SOURCE chronologist Dr. Floyd Jones expands on Gill’s fifth explanation in Chronology of the Old Testament in much more detail.2 This is a respectable position and is one of the two possibilities put forth by most scholars.
Dr. Jones makes the case that 42 should remain in 2 Chronicles 22:2. He points out that Ahaziah’s age was indeed 22 as 2 Kings 8:26 says. However, he interprets 2 Chronicles 22:2 as the beginning of the kingly reign of his family line (starting with Omri, then his son Ahab, and then Ahab’s daughter Athaliah who was Ahaziah’s wife).
Dr. Jones points out that the numbers given in the Hebrew text are not the numerals 42 and 22 but are written out as “two and forty” and “two and twenty,” which would seem to make a copyist mistake less likely. Hence, he reinterprets the verse instead of appealing to a copyist mistake.
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Many fail to realize that several ancient texts have 22 (or simply 20) instead of 42 as listed in the Masoretic Text (MT) in 2 Chronicles 22:2. The Syriac version (common to Eastern churches) and Arabic version each have 22. The Septuagint (LXX) has 20. In fact, the version used by the Antioch church in New Testament times was obtained by Archbishop Ussher at great cost and it had 22.4 These early translations were obviously drawing from another Hebrew text, different from what we know today as the Masoretic or standard Hebrew text used for most translations in modern times.
So - no numerals in evidence, and conflicting records in the available texts - with the MT texts, used for English translations, being clearly in error.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSOURCE chronologist Dr. Floyd Jones expands on Gill’s fifth explanation in Chronology of the Old Testament in much more detail.2 This is a respectable position and is one of the two possibilities put forth by most scholars.
Dr. Jones makes the case that 42 should remain in 2 Chronicles 22:2. He points out that Ahaziah’s age was indeed 22 as 2 Kings 8:26 says. However, he interprets 2 Chronicles 22:2 as the beginning of the kingly reign of his family line (starting with Omri, then his son Ahab, and then Ahab’s daughter Athaliah who was Ahaziah’s wife).
Dr. Jones points out that the numbers given in the Hebrew text are not the numerals 42 and 22 but are written out as “two and forty” and “two and twenty,” which would seem to make a copyist mistake less likely. Hence, he reinterprets the verse instead of appealing to a copyist mistake.
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Many fail to realize that several ancient texts have 22 (or simply 20) instead of 42 as listed in the Masoretic Text (MT) in 2 Chronicles 22:2. The Syriac version (common to Eastern churches) and Arabic version each have 22. The Septuagint (LXX) has 20. In fact, the version used by the Antioch church in New Testament times was obtained by Archbishop Ussher at great cost and it had 22.4 These early translations were obviously drawing from another Hebrew text, different from what we know today as the Masoretic or standard Hebrew text used for most translations in modern times.
So - no numerals in evidence, and conflicting records in the available texts - with the MT texts, used for English translations, being clearly in error.Last edited by Same Hakeem; 05-15-2019, 01:59 PM.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostTo say that the above contradiction is due to a typing error is just an assumption because (i) the original manuscripts are not available to us to verify and (ii) not two copies of the available manuscripts are same.
The copy used for English translation is in error.
Some old manuscripts show 22 years for both references.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by Same Old IdiotHakeem View PostTo say that the above contradiction is due to a typing error is just an assumption because (i) the original manuscripts are not available to us to verify and (ii) not two copies of the available manuscripts are same.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThey wrote numbers in the form of words. Please refer to the following link of the Hebrew-English of 2 Chronicles 22:2.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_chronicles/22-2.htm
Wrong answer but thank you for playing our game!
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Originally posted by jpholding View PostGood night you are stupid. Professional textual critics never would make such an idiotic statement. They would look at factors like what sorts of things are frequently miscopied, how a copyist error would occur, and the context of the narrative. Morons like you just run their mouths in ignorance.
My response to your it-is-a-copyist-error argument is how can you be sure that these original manuscripts were without errors when no one has ever seen them and in light of the contradictions and conflicts?Last edited by Same Hakeem; 05-17-2019, 06:39 PM.
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1 John 4:7 says "God is love" and "God is not unjust" in Hebrews 6:10, however, Deut 20:16-17 says "However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you " as well as " Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
We all agree that God is love and just. But we cannot believe that killings of infants and all that breathes are attributed to God's order as per the above verses.Last edited by Same Hakeem; 05-17-2019, 07:08 PM.
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