Book Plunge: Why The End Is Not Near

[Sparko]

John says we do not know until Jesus returns. Paul says our bodies are sown in corruption but raised as a spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom.

I am just asking what you believe the glorified body will be like. If it is a body made of spirit, how is that any different than how we are when we just die? What use would a resurrection be if you are already a spirit and you are raised a spirit? That doesn't make sense.

I believe the glorified body will not be our corruptible flesh, but a new immortal physical body. Because like you said, we are beings of spirit, soul and body. We need all three. So the body has to be more than just spirit, or we would be spirit, spirit and soul, right?

And after God "explodes the universe" he makes a new one, a new Earth and a New Heaven. A physical Earth without corruption for our new bodies without corruption to live on forever. Probably an entirely new universe without corruption or sin. Because the bible tells us that all of creation is groaning, waiting for God to restore it.

Romans 8
. ²⁰ For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope ²¹ that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

[Dave L]

I am just asking what you believe the glorified body will be like. If it is a body made of spirit, how is that any different than how we are when we just die? What use would a resurrection be if you are already a spirit and you are raised a spirit? That doesn't make sense.

I believe the glorified body will not be our corruptible flesh, but a new immortal physical body. Because like you said, we are beings of spirit, soul and body. We need all three. So the body has to be more than just spirit, or we would be spirit, spirit and soul, right?

And after God "explodes the universe" he makes a new one, a new Earth and a New Heaven. A physical Earth without corruption for our new bodies without corruption to live on forever. Probably an entirely new universe without corruption or sin. Because the bible tells us that all of creation is groaning, waiting for God to restore it.

Romans 8
. ²⁰ For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope ²¹ that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

John says we don't know but when Jesus appears we will be like him. “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.” 1 Corinthians 15:47–49 (KJV 1900)

[Sparko]

John says we don't know but when Jesus appears we will be like him. “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.” 1 Corinthians 15:47–49 (KJV 1900)

OK so then why are you so insistent in telling us we are wrong for believing the glorified body will be a material body?

[Dave L]

OK so then why are you so insistent in telling us we are wrong for believing the glorified body will be a material body?

Scripture does not support it as far as I know. So for me, faith comes by hearing the word. No word = no true faith. Whatever is not of faith is sin.

[Sparko]

Scripture does not support it as far as I know. So for me, faith comes by hearing the word. No word = no true faith. Whatever is not of faith is sin.

You already said nobody knows. Which means nobody knows if your glorified body will be a spirit body either, or made of Play-do. Jesus went to a lot of trouble to make sure that his disciples knew he was not a ghost but had a resurrected body of flesh and bone. Why would he bother if the end result was just being a spirit?

[Dave L]

You already said nobody knows. Which means nobody knows if your glorified body will be a spirit body either, or made of Play-do. Jesus went to a lot of trouble to make sure that his disciples knew he was not a ghost but had a resurrected body of flesh and bone. Why would he bother if the end result was just being a spirit?

I said John says we do not know. If he doesn't know why ask? He says we will be like Christ when he appears. Christ is God and is seated in glory in his glorified body.

[Sparko]

I said John says we do not know. If he doesn't know why ask? He says we will be like Christ when he appears. Christ is God and is seated in glory in his glorified body.

Because you also said that Paul knows. So the bible is not keeping a secret from us. And Jesus was resurrected in a material body, and he went up into heaven still in a physical body as witnessed by his followers, and the angel said that he would return again in the same way. So Jesus still has a physical body now in heaven and will return in a physical body. And we will have a body like Christ's, meaning we will have a physical body.

[Dave L]

Because you also said that Paul knows. So the bible is not keeping a secret from us. And Jesus was resurrected in a material body, and he went up into heaven still in a physical body as witnessed by his followers, and the angel said that he would return again in the same way. So Jesus still has a physical body now in heaven and will return in a physical body. And we will have a body like Christ's, meaning we will have a physical body.

Returning the same way means pretrerism is false. He ascended in a glorified body. He will return in the same.

[Sparko]

Returning the same way means pretrerism is false. He ascended in a glorified body. He will return in the same.

He was resurrected in a glorified physical body. His old body was transformed into a new glorified body, but it was the same body he died in. The tomb was empty. He went up into heaven in his physical glorified body and will come the same way. He is still in heaven today as a man, in a human body, that has been glorified and still physical.

After the resurrection and the ascension, Paul still refers to Jesus in the present tense as a man, not a spirit.


1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

[Dave L]

He was resurrected in a glorified physical body. His old body was transformed into a new glorified body, but it was the same body he died in. The tomb was empty. He went up into heaven in his physical glorified body and will come the same way. He is still in heaven today as a man, in a human body, that has been glorified and still physical.

After the resurrection and the ascension, Paul still refers to Jesus in the present tense as a man, not a spirit.


1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

So what's the problem? You seem to be accepting this now. So let's move on.

[Sparko]

So what's the problem? You seem to be accepting this now. So let's move on.

Just trying to figure out what you actually believe. Are you know saying you think Jesus is still in the same body he resurrected in?

[Dave L]

Just trying to figure out what you actually believe. Are you know saying you think Jesus is still in the same body he resurrected in?

Yes, but glorified beyond our comprehension according to John.

[RumTumTugger]

John says; “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” 1 John 3:2 (KJV 1900)

Paul says; “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” 1 Corinthians 15:42–44 (KJV 1900)

what does the word they use for spiritual body mean in the orginal Greek do you know?

[Sparko]

Yes, but glorified beyond our comprehension according to John.

then it sounds like we do believe the same thing. Your earlier posts were claiming it would not be a material body at all and there would not even be a material New Earth for us to live on.

[RumTumTugger]

You guys are missing Jesus' ascension in his glorified body. The one believers will be raised in the likeness of. Buried with cancer. raised with cancer? That's where your reasoning leads.

No, all the imperfctons will be gone from our glorified, physical bodies it is not as simple as you want to make it Dave L. btw why are you only using the KJV?