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[Littlejoe]

I was born in a border state. My grandmother's family had fought for the South. My family was pro-South, so I know all the justifications for "the Cause".

"Our slaves were happy. They were better off with us than after the Yankees forced them off the farm. They didn't want to leave."

"Most slaves were better off under slavery than afterwards."

"The War wasn't about slavery. It was about States Rights."

Baloney. It was ALL about slavery. The Southern economy depended on slave labor. For years the North and South had fought over whether slavery should be allowed into each new territory. The South left the Union because Lincoln was against slavery and although he had not campaigned to outlaw it outright, he had campaigned to prevent its expansion into the territories. That was the reason for the War: the South wanted no limitations on the expansion of slavery into the territories.

Southerners (and those of us who are descendants of Southerners) should be ashamed of our slave past, not proud of it.

Man Gary, talk about your revisionist, myopic history! And the North's economy depended on slave labor as well...except they didn't call it that. Yet women and children being locked in a factory for 16 hours a day 7 days as wee, with no chance for escape (even in case of a fire) wasn't slavery because they were paid (often a below subsistence wage) and got to go "home" to sleep on the floor of their slum apt. at night (if they were lucky enough to have shelter)...od course, that is AFTER the doors were unlocked. Seriously, this is literally the pot calling the kettle black. Oh, and let's not forget the North's complicity into the Irish Slave trade. Except they were called "indentured servants" weren't they?

[Apologiaphoenix]

Who said anything about Trump?

And I don't think many libertarians out there are supporting Trump.

[thewriteranon]

Given that Trump is an economic protectionist and clearly sees the presidential spot as a position of ultimate authority, you cannot consistently call yourself libertarian and support Trump.

[rogue06]

Man Gary, talk about your revisionist, myopic history! And the North's economy depended on slave labor as well...except they didn't call it that. Yet women and children being locked in a factory for 16 hours a day 7 days as wee, with no chance for escape (even in case of a fire) wasn't slavery because they were paid (often a below subsistence wage) and got to go "home" to sleep on the floor of their slum apt. at night (if they were lucky enough to have shelter)...od course, that is AFTER the doors were unlocked. Seriously, this is literally the pot calling the kettle black. Oh, and let's not forget the North's complicity into the Irish Slave trade. Except they were called "indentured servants" weren't they?

More than one historian has noted that workers in factories and mines often lived in worse conditions than did slaves in the southern U.S. Slave owners saw them as property which meant they had value so they were usually adequately fed and even given medical care (such as it was during those times), whereas up north the workers were seen as being entirely replaceable.

Of course, this is not to minimize the horrors of slavery. A factory worker or miner, for example, didn't have to worry about their family being split up by being sold (something generally avoided because everyone knew the discontent that resulted so it was a last ditch thing done only in financial emergencies)

[Gary]

Man Gary, talk about your revisionist, myopic history! And the North's economy depended on slave labor as well...except they didn't call it that. Yet women and children being locked in a factory for 16 hours a day 7 days as wee, with no chance for escape (even in case of a fire) wasn't slavery because they were paid (often a below subsistence wage) and got to go "home" to sleep on the floor of their slum apt. at night (if they were lucky enough to have shelter)...od course, that is AFTER the doors were unlocked. Seriously, this is literally the pot calling the kettle black. Oh, and let's not forget the North's complicity into the Irish Slave trade. Except they were called "indentured servants" weren't they?

I never said that North was innocent of any wrong doing.

[Gary]

Given that Trump is an economic protectionist and clearly sees the presidential spot as a position of ultimate authority, if you cannot consistently call yourself libertarian and support Trump.

If your choice is Hillary or Trump, who will you vote for?

[Gary]

More than one historian has noted that workers in factories and mines often lived in worse conditions than did slaves in the southern U.S. Slave owners saw them as property which meant they had value so they were usually adequately fed and even given medical care (such as it was during those times), whereas up north the workers were seen as being entirely replaceable.

Of course, this is not to minimize the horrors of slavery. A factory worker or miner, for example, didn't have to worry about their family being split up by being sold (something generally avoided because everyone knew the discontent that resulted so it was a last ditch thing done only in financial emergencies)

Well, we should all thank Northern progressives and labor unions for giving us child labor laws and a forty hour work week. These laws would never have been passed in a Confederate States of America.

[thewriteranon]

If your choice is Hillary or Trump, who will you vote for?

Gary Johnson, most likely. I know it's a protest vote but I cannot in good conscience vote for either of the big parties.

[RumTumTugger]

The rest of the nation doesn't like your definition of freedom: Let white, Christian (preferably Protestant), heterosexual men do as they please.

BULL Gary either your are lying here or you did not read what Nick has posted or have trouble with reading comprehension. I"ll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with you refusing to read what others say like an idiot. if you did read what was written then you are either a liar or need a remedial reading class.
you asked

Do you believe that the owner of a diner should have the right to reserve service to all Blacks?

Nick's Answer which you apparently never read.

If he wants to, yes. If he wants to refuse service to all whites, yes. If he wants to refuse service to all people over six feet tall, yes. He is under no obligation to sell me his goods and/or services.

You cannot say that Nick is defining freedom as only whites being free to do what they want. Like I said you are either refusing to read others post, an idiot who has trouble comprehending clear English or falsely putting words in someone mouth here.

[Rational Gaze]

Baloney. It was ALL about slavery.

False. Having studied this subject during my BA in History I can tell you that: the civil war was started by the union purely to prevent the confederacy from seceding, Lincoln did not care about ending slavery at all until after the war, those in the north were just as racist as the south. That slavery was ended after the union won the civil war is entirely an accident of history. The claim that the north fought the war to free the slaves is pure propaganda and pure myth. Your historical illiteracy and attempts of revisionism do not change this fact.

[Rational Gaze]

Trump is the last gasp of the angry, conservative/libertarian, southern white male. Cherish every day, guys, until next January when Hillary steps into the White House.

Donald Trump is an authoritarian. Libertarians are anti-authoritarian. Donald Trump promotes protectionism and economic central planning. Libertarians oppose protectionism and economic central planning. Donald Trump is about un-Libertarian as it is possible to be without being an outright socialist or communist. Trump's policies are virtually identical to those of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

[Gary]

BULL Gary either your are lying here or you did not read what Nick has posted or have trouble with reading comprehension. I"ll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with you refusing to read what others say like an idiot. if you did read what was written then you are either a liar or need a remedial reading class.
you asked


Nick's Answer which you apparently never read.

You cannot say that Nick is defining freedom as only whites being free to do what they want. Like I said you are either refusing to read others post, an idiot who has trouble comprehending clear English or falsely putting words in someone mouth here.

When the owners of restaurants and hotels are overwhelmingly white then the effect on minorities is disproportionate to the effect on whites who are banned from the relatively few minority owned businesses.

But whatever. Bottomline: This country is governed by majority rule and the majority wants anti-discrimination laws. You either have to accept it or move to...oops...segregationist South Africa no longer exists...

[Rational Gaze]

Well, we should all thank Northern progressives and labor unions for giving us child labor laws and a forty hour work week. These laws would never have been passed in a Confederate States of America.

Northern progressives and labour unions had nothing to do whatsoever with either of those things in particular, or rising the standard of living in general. You really need to study both history and economics, because so far your knowledge on both subjects and politics is lower than the ankle socks of a particularly small beetle, standing in a ditch, in a quarry, in the low country.

https://mises.org/library/labor-unions-are-anti-labor
https://mises.org/library/labor-unio...storm-troopers
https://mises.org/library/labor-unio...om-association

[Rational Gaze]

When the owners of restaurants and hotels are overwhelmingly white then the effects on minorities is disproportionate to the effects on whites who are banned from the relatively few minority owned businesses.

But whatever. Bottomline: This country is by majority rule and the majority wants anti-discrimination laws. You either have to accept it or move to...oops...segregationist South Africa no longer exists...

I find it hilarious how a racist segregationist keeps accusing others of being racist segregationists. You are a living embodiment of the three rules of SJWs.

[Gary]

Northern progressives and labour unions had nothing to do whatsoever with either of those things in particular, or rising the standard of living in general. You really need to study both history and economics, because so far your knowledge on both subjects and politics is lower than the ankle socks of a particularly small beetle, standing in a ditch, in a quarry, in the low country.

https://mises.org/library/labor-unions-are-anti-labor
https://mises.org/library/labor-unio...storm-troopers
https://mises.org/library/labor-unio...om-association

You must be reading history books written by ex-slave owners...