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Originally posted by psstein View PostNew Atheist talking points, drink.
1. My doubt as to the historicity of the empty tomb.
2. My doubt as to the historicity of the Joseph of Aramathea story.
3. My doubt that Nick's "Honor-Shame" argument is valid for ALL first century inhabitants of Palestine. My doubt that exceptions to this generalization are impossible, or at a minimum, "implausible", as Nick seems to suggest.
4. My doubt that Paul ever claimed to have seen a resurrected body with his own two eyes. (Not whether or not he believed Jesus had been bodily resurrected but that he had seen Jesus' resurrected body himself.)
5. My doubt that eyewitnesses wrote any of the four gospels.
Please, prove to me that an overwhelming consensus of NT scholars (greater than 90%) holds that my position on any these issues is incorrect and uninformed
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Originally posted by Gary View PostOf Berlinerblau??
Who cares.
Why don't you address my central statement.
CHRISTIANS
HAVE
ZERO
EVIDENCE
FOR
A
FIRST
CENTURY
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI'm thinking it would be hysterical to imagine Gary as a criminal defense lawyer.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostSo how long were you waiting for an answer to your question? Do you still even have one?In some fairness, Gary is responding to more people. Expecting an answer within an hour is more than a little ridiculous, however.
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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2000 + posts in 11 days - Gotta give him credit for sticktoitiveness.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYOU do, or you wouldn't have brought him up.
...that you accept. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI'm thinking it would be hysterical to imagine Gary as a criminal defense lawyer.
I repeat: Would someone please show me just ONE position that I have taken on this thread that the overwhelming majority (greater than 90%) of NT scholars would refute as false?
1. My doubt as to the historicity of the empty tomb.
2. My doubt as to the historicity of the Joseph of Aramathea story.
3. My doubt that Nick's "Honor-Shame" argument is valid for ALL first century inhabitants of Palestine. My doubt that exceptions to this generalization are impossible, or at a minimum, "implausible", as Nick seems to suggest.
4. My doubt that Paul ever claimed to have seen a resurrected body with his own two eyes. (Not whether or not he believed Jesus had been bodily resurrected but that he had seen Jesus' resurrected body himself.)
5. My doubt that eyewitnesses wrote any of the four gospels.
Please, prove to me that an overwhelming consensus of NT scholars (greater than 90%) holds that my position on any these issues is incorrect and uninformed
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostSure. As much threat as a marshmallow gun!
I repeat: Would someone please show me just ONE position that I have taken on this thread that the overwhelming majority (greater than 90%) of NT scholars would refute as false?
1. My doubt as to the historicity of the empty tomb.
2. My doubt as to the historicity of the Joseph of Aramathea story.
3. My doubt that Nick's "Honor-Shame" argument is valid for ALL first century inhabitants of Palestine. My doubt that exceptions to this generalization are impossible, or at a minimum, "implausible", as Nick seems to suggest.
4. My doubt that Paul ever claimed to have seen a resurrected body with his own two eyes. (Not whether or not he believed Jesus had been bodily resurrected but that he had seen Jesus' resurrected body himself.)
5. My doubt that eyewitnesses wrote any of the four gospels.
Please, prove to me that an overwhelming consensus of NT scholars (greater than 90%) holds that my position on any these issues is incorrect and uninformed
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Originally posted by Gary View PostMore snide remarks but you obviously can't refute my statement, can you, Nick?
I repeat: Would someone please show me just ONE position that I have taken on this thread that the overwhelming majority (greater than 90%) of NT scholars would refute as false?
1. My doubt as to the historicity of the empty tomb.
2. My doubt as to the historicity of the Joseph of Aramathea story.
3. My doubt that Nick's "Honor-Shame" argument is valid for ALL first century inhabitants of Palestine. My doubt that exceptions to this generalization are impossible, or at a minimum, "implausible", as Nick seems to suggest.
4. My doubt that Paul ever claimed to have seen a resurrected body with his own two eyes. (Not whether or not he believed Jesus had been bodily resurrected but that he had seen Jesus' resurrected body himself.)
5. My doubt that eyewitnesses wrote any of the four gospels.
Please, prove to me that an overwhelming consensus of NT scholars (greater than 90%) holds that my position on any these issues is incorrect and uninformed
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