secret forces in oregon cities, as in DC

[oxmixmudd]

This is beyond the pale - and really quite unnerving. We do not do this sort of thing in the US, and yet, Trump is doing it. The US attorney in Oregon has launched an investigation. These unidentified (presumably legitimate) law enforcement agents have been seen arresting peaceful protestors and hauling them off in SUV's.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/po...ies/index.html

So this is not just a strange anomalous thing that showed up in DC during the Floyd protests. This is some sort of 'force' that Trump has created and is deploying wherever he thinks it is 'appropriate'. They are not uniformed, they do not identify themselves.

I truly hope those posting here in favor of Trump can recognize the very real and present danger of secret, heavily armed and unidentified forces deployed at the behest of the president against the wishes of state governments across the United States.

[seer]

This is beyond the pale - and really quite unnerving. We do not do this sort of thing in the US, and yet, Trump is doing it. The US attorney in Oregon has launched an investigation. These unidentified (presumably legitimate) law enforcement agents have been seen arresting peaceful protestors and hauling them off in SUV's.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/po...ies/index.html

So this is not just a strange anomalous thing that showed up in DC during the Floyd protests. This is some sort of 'force' that Trump has created and is deploying wherever he thinks it is 'appropriate'. They are not uniformed, they do not identify themselves.

I truly hope those posting here in favor of Trump can recognize the very real and present danger of secret, heavily armed and unidentified forces deployed at the behest of the president against the wishes of state governments across the United States.

They are not secret everyone knows about them. And they are going after those who are trying to destroy federal property. GOOD!

[Cow Poke]

They are not secret everyone knows about them. And they are going after those who are trying to destroy federal property. GOOD!

"Unmarked"?

From the article...

Merkley also tweeted one video of such an arrest showing two masked, camouflaged individuals with generic "police" patches,

When our local police are doing raids, they wear vests that very clearly say "POLICE", and I guess you could argue it's "generic".

And....

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) admitted to being one of the agencies involved in arresting protesters.

So much for "Secret".

[Cow Poke]

Quite honestly, I'm torn by this - it's a truly sad situation.

One of the claims is that the officers don't have names on their uniforms because the protesters use this information to threaten their families.
I know this to be true.

We see the assault on police - the assassinations of police sitting in their marked patrol cars - TARGETED because they are police, and I can understand why these officers don't want to have targets on their backs.

It's a truly concerning situation to me, but it's pretty much brought on by the "anti police" movement, the whole "Defund" thing, and violent attacks on police.

[oxmixmudd]

Quite honestly, I'm torn by this - it's a truly sad situation.

One of the claims is that the officers don't have names on their uniforms because the protesters use this information to threaten their families.
I know this to be true.

We see the assault on police - the assassinations of police sitting in their marked patrol cars - TARGETED because they are police, and I can understand why these officers don't want to have targets on their backs.

It's a truly concerning situation to me, but it's pretty much brought on by the "anti police" movement, the whole "Defund" thing, and violent attacks on police.

The states and the local governments did not request these forces. They do not want them to be there. This is a massive abuse of power and sets up for a special force at the presidents command on us soil. It is a very, very bad thing.

[Cow Poke]

The states and the local governments did not request these forces. They do not want them to be there. This is a massive abuse of power and sets up for a special force at the presidents command on us soil. It is a very, very bad thing.

As I said, Jim, I'm torn by this. It appears to be Federal troops protecting FEDERAL property/courts.... where the states and local governments refuse to do so.

It's a tough one for me, because I'm pretty big into States' rights.

[oxmixmudd]

As I said, Jim, I'm torn by this. It appears to be Federal troops protecting FEDERAL property/courts.... where the states and local governments refuse to do so.

It's a tough one for me, because I'm pretty big into States' rights.

Good enough. But I think you are playing it far too naively. There should not be an unidentifiable force deployed by the president in cities and states against the will of the local governments. We have the national guard. We have the local police forces. This unidentified secretive force is shades of the SS and Putin's 'little green men' and must be vigorously opposed.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

This is beyond the pale - and really quite unnerving. We do not do this sort of thing in the US, and yet, Trump is doing it. The US attorney in Oregon has launched an investigation. These unidentified (presumably legitimate) law enforcement agents have been seen arresting peaceful protestors and hauling them off in SUV's.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/po...ies/index.html

So this is not just a strange anomalous thing that showed up in DC during the Floyd protests. This is some sort of 'force' that Trump has created and is deploying wherever he thinks it is 'appropriate'. They are not uniformed, they do not identify themselves.

I truly hope those posting here in favor of Trump can recognize the very real and present danger of secret, heavily armed and unidentified forces deployed at the behest of the president against the wishes of state governments across the United States.

Authoritarianism can encroach gradually with the slow erosion of what are deemed to be civil rights and liberties.

[Cow Poke]

Good enough. But I think you are playing it far to naively.

Gratuitous condescension noted.

There should not be anbunidentifyable force deployed by the president in cities and states against the will of tte local governments.

That's the hard part - when the local governments are purposefully delinquent in providing safety and security for federal employees...

We have the national guard. We have the local police forces.

Jim, I think you are playing it far too naively... This is all about "defund the police", and NOT using the local authorities against the anarchists.

This unidentified secretive force is shades of the SS and Putin's 'little green men' and must be vigorously opposed.

No, they wore "Police" identifiers, although they're described as "generic", and we have agencies that have accepted responsibility for the arrests.
This is NOT "the secret police".

When my son-in-law leads a raid, all that is required is that they be indentified visually and audibly as "POLICE" -- and it is not at all unusual for local police to do their raids with ski-masks and no other "ID" than "POLICE".

[seanD]

The states and the local governments did not request these forces. They do not want them to be there. This is a massive abuse of power and sets up for a special force at the presidents command on us soil. It is a very, very bad thing.

I'm pretty sure this view would be the complete opposite if it was for fighting the big bad covid boogieman. In fact, weren't you all for Trump using executive power in order to enforce the lock-downs? I know carp sure was.

[oxmixmudd]

Authoritarianism can encroach gradually with the slow erosion of what are deemed to be civil rights and liberties.

Indeed. This is the continued legacy of authoritarian nations throughout history. Somehow many in this country have forgotten those lessons and are so used to the freedoms we enjoy they seem unable to allow themselves to see the clear historical implications of red flags like these.

[rogue06]

The states and the local governments did not request these forces. They do not want them to be there. This is a massive abuse of power and sets up for a special force at the presidents command on us soil. It is a very, very bad thing.

If the local governments refuse to do their job and it is federal property that is being attacked then the local politicians really don't have a leg to stand on.

[rogue06]

Quite honestly, I'm torn by this - it's a truly sad situation.

One of the claims is that the officers don't have names on their uniforms because the protesters use this information to threaten their families.
I know this to be true.

We see the assault on police - the assassinations of police sitting in their marked patrol cars - TARGETED because they are police, and I can understand why these officers don't want to have targets on their backs.

It's a truly concerning situation to me, but it's pretty much brought on by the "anti police" movement, the whole "Defund" thing, and violent attacks on police.

Many of those involved in raids on drug dealers have their faces covered by ninja-like masks for the reasons you've listed.

[Cow Poke]

If the local governments refuse to do their job and it is federal property that is being attacked then the locals really don't have a leg to stand on.

That's it. Here is the Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse in question....

My apologies before hand -- it MAY be that the F word is also here, though partly obscured, but it helps make the point.

federal courthouse portland.jpg federal courthouse portland 1.jpg

There are several other photos I cannot post because the F-bomb is predominantly displayed.

If I were a federal employee, and the local authorities were derelict in their duties, and not protecting me, I'd WANT outside help!

[Cow Poke]

Many of those involved in raids on drug dealers have their faces covered by ninja-like masks for the reasons you've listed.

Eggzackly -- and that was happening WAY back.... remember the Feds who took the little Cuban boy under Janet Reno?

But, all of a sudden, "Secret Police" is a major concern to the left.