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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostSo where are the regular stonings for those who have falsely prophesied the end in recent times?
You are admitting to being one who prophecies, that is what a prophet is.
You're the one who is ignoring passages that doesn't agree with you. The Bible says to not add or subtract from what God says.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.
You accuse me of adding, but the truth is you are subtracting.
Jesus Christ is the Word/Logos. They are the same person. If you won't believe me, at least believe what the Bible clearly teaches on the matter. Jesus Himself claimed not only preexistence, but to be Yahweh Himself. This is something you keep ignoring, because it doesn't fit your beliefs.
...and in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son.
If you really go and study you can see that before He was known as Jesus, He was known as "The Angel of the LORD". One who is both a separate person from the Father, yet still fully God.
You said Abraham was perfect, and your implying he was perfect throughout his life. One of God's commands is "Thou shall not commit adultery", which based on the evidence we have
Abraham did.
Abraham being justified by his faith does not mean he never sinned. The only person who never sinned was Jesus.
Justification by faith means we will no longer be held accountable for past sin, not that it never happened in the first place. David is one who is also said to be justified, and was said to be "a man after God's own heart". However he still murdered Uriah, and committed adultery. Then Paul, who wrote about justification by faith called himself the worst of sinners. There is someone here who doesn't understand the concept, but it isn't me.
You've sought a god of your own making. I'm sticking with the God revealed in Scripture. You are the one who specifically said that there was no command anywhere in Scripture to obey other authorities in any way. You made an unqualified statement that was untrue. I agree that we are to obey God over obeying men, but that wasn't your original claim.
You are the one using a standard of your own making, and don't even realize how crooked it is. The real standard for anyone calling themselves a Christian is to be Scripture. You are merely leaning on your own understanding.Last edited by Jeff; 12-15-2018, 01:53 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHearing God and speaking for him are two different things Jeff. When you presume to speak for God, you are acting as his prophet. If what you say goes against scripture or is doesn't come true, you are a false prophet. What you have said just here in this thread goes against scripture and shows you do not know scripture. Just quoting some of it doesn't mean you understand it. The devil quoted scripture to Jesus too.
Anyway, what time are we living in? I have already spoken of "...Mystery, Babylon the great, (Catholic) Mother of (Protestant) Harlots, and (spinoff) abominations of the earth. An honest view of the history of the sects is glaring proof being an unmistakable image of what our Lord made known would be made manifest shortly after the departure of His Apostles. Now, I could enumerate their deeds... forming alliances with governments, putting true Saints to death for opposing their adulterous pursuit of worldly power, numerous attempts at re-establishing Israel in the crusades, Not to mention the slaughter of countless professing believers on whichever side depending upon which sect had the kings ear at any given time, etc..... clear up to the forming of this Nation where the sects attempted peace one with another... even predicting our present lawless times if their pact became obsolete in the eyes of a majority. A study of the writings of our founders makes it apparent. But one need not even look to history to realize the beginning of the end is at hand. Lawlessness, and the men who perpetuate it from high places on a global scale... foretold by the Apostles of our Lord. Secularism is become the standard as the majority of men fall away from the truth. The whole world scoffs at God because of the wayward sects and their glaring hypocrisies. Some leaning left, some to the right. In this environment the wicked hem in the righteous and justice is perverted and right judgment never goes forth... a sign of the end. Israel emerges once again after 2000 years and is a burdensome stone among the nations. Rumors of rebuilding the temple and reintroducing old practices. What does this mean Sparko? Look how knowledge has greatly increased since our nation's founding... and has exploded just in the last few decades. For the first time in all of human history every eye can witness a single event. Men can be tracked wherever they go. Men can receive a chip and by it be denied access to the market place if it be that governments will it to be so. What time is it Sparko? Kings and dignitaries summit and lie to each others faces. Rulers are being disposed and others set in there place. The vital systems and infrastructures of the world are controlled by a few. If these things weren't overwhelming enough, hope is vanishing from generation to generation to where the love of the many grows cold. I could go on and on... Point is all these things were foretold long ago. Now it is here. What time is it...?
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Originally posted by Jeff View PostHello Sparko. Sorry so late in getting back to you. Broken strut in wife's van. Ya... gotta live with her so you got bumped. Will make this short and hit the high points.
Anyway, what time are we living in? I have already spoken of "...Mystery, Babylon the great, (Catholic) Mother of (Protestant) Harlots, and (spinoff) abominations of the earth. An honest view of the history of the sects is glaring proof being an unmistakable image of what our Lord made known would be made manifest shortly after the departure of His Apostles. Now, I could enumerate their deeds... forming alliances with governments, putting true Saints to death for opposing their adulterous pursuit of worldly power, numerous attempts at re-establishing Israel in the crusades, Not to mention the slaughter of countless professing believers on whichever side depending upon which sect had the kings ear at any given time, etc..... clear up to the forming of this Nation where the sects attempted peace one with another... even predicting our present lawless times if their pact became obsolete in the eyes of a majority. A study of the writings of our founders makes it apparent. But one need not even look to history to realize the beginning of the end is at hand. Lawlessness, and the men who perpetuate it from high places on a global scale... foretold by the Apostles of our Lord. Secularism is become the standard as the majority of men fall away from the truth. The whole world scoffs at God because of the wayward sects and their glaring hypocrisies. Some leaning left, some to the right. In this environment the wicked hem in the righteous and justice is perverted and right judgment never goes forth... a sign of the end. Israel emerges once again after 2000 years and is a burdensome stone among the nations. Rumors of rebuilding the temple and reintroducing old practices. What does this mean Sparko? Look how knowledge has greatly increased since our nation's founding... and has exploded just in the last few decades. For the first time in all of human history every eye can witness a single event. Men can be tracked wherever they go. Men can receive a chip and by it be denied access to the market place if it be that governments will it to be so. What time is it Sparko? Kings and dignitaries summit and lie to each others faces. Rulers are being disposed and others set in there place. The vital systems and infrastructures of the world are controlled by a few. If these things weren't overwhelming enough, hope is vanishing from generation to generation to where the love of the many grows cold. I could go on and on... Point is all these things were foretold long ago. Now it is here. What time is it...?
Are we in the end times? Perhaps. But people have thought that they were in the end times since Jesus returned to heaven after his resurrection. Paul even seemed to think he was in the end times and talked about it like it was imminent. The lesson we take from it all is that we should live our lives like the end is about to come, always being prepared. Because one way or another, we all will be face to face with Jesus within our lifetimes or at the time of our death. So I don't worry whether the end times are here or not. I figure at best I might have 30 more years of life left, but I could die tomorrow. And when I do, I will be present with the Lord. I will either rise into the air to meet with Jesus, or I will be among those who come down from Heaven with Jesus when he returns. Either way is fine with me.
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