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Last edited by davidsun; 07-17-2017, 11:23 AM.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostDeh. Were the quote [about "This my blood" etc.] to be considered in its entirety, there would be no way to make the claim. Considering half a quote (which is to say, taking it out of context), this and a host of other quotes can be wrested.
I register the rest of your claims to understand the reality pertaining to Jesus, prophets, etc. I appreciate your sharing your contrasting views here. I obviously do not agree with them, however, as I present alternate views which I personally believe are more reality-oriented.Last edited by davidsun; 07-17-2017, 11:34 AM.
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You reply to "This may seem radical, but what if Jesus meant exactly what He said?" Sparko, to wit:
Originally posted by Sparko View Postunpossible!! He has to have secret meanings that only the specially blessed can understand!!! That way they can know they are the chosen ones and God likes them better than everyone else. duh.
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Thanking everyone for their responses, and picking up at the bottom of and continuing the text of my treatise (from post #8):
thetotalitypresently, I submit, those who mostmuch more likelyholisticHolistically co-relative insofarselfishness. This applies, to one degree or another, to everyholistic really have nothing more to learn and developmentally accomplish by way of incarnating as a personal-selfexceptionalothersmust eitherselfish instincts and becoming more integrally related to others or spiritually regress and possibly even disintegrate (i.e.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso you are saying that you are twisting the words of Jesus to catch more birds?
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Originally posted by davidsun View PostNo. Following the parable in question, I said: "(Note: even this parablemy interpretation (and claiming it to be no more and no less) of the words of Jesus as presented in the King James translation. Methinks, the notion that I am 'twisting' them is your ('twisted'? )
idea.
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Originally posted by davidsun View PostThanking everyone for their responses, and picking up at the bottom of and continuing the text of my treatise (from post #8):
thetotalitypresently, I submit, those who mostmuch more likelyholisticHolistically co-relative insofarselfishness. This applies, to one degree or another, to everyholistic really have nothing more to learn and developmentally accomplish by way of incarnating as a personal-selfexceptionalothersmust eitherselfish instincts and becoming more integrally related to others or spiritually regress and possibly even disintegrate (i.e.
You fit right in.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postoh. so you are saying that JESUS was the bird catcher who was tricking people then?Last edited by davidsun; 07-17-2017, 08:52 PM.
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Originally posted by davidsun View PostNo. The people who interpret his teachings literally, without really undertstanding them, are the 'parrots' - who enlist more 'parrots' and catch and exploit even 'dumber' 'birds' with their help - are the ones doing that 'tricking'. In my book, Godspeak 2000 (available as a free download from my website), I referenced the same kind of phenomenon in relation to astrology/astrologers
Let's discuss one and see. Bring forth a parable of Jesus that you claim you know what he was really saying and let's see. Post the parable and your interpretation.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNobody thinks Jesus was speaking literally when he was telling parables. But his meaning was pretty clear, not some esoteric nonsense that took 2000 years until someone like you to come along and figure it out. You are not that special Dave. You are nuts.
Let's discuss one and see. Bring forth a parable of Jesus that you claim you know what he was really saying and let's see. Post the parable and your interpretation.
Repeating the last couple of paragraphs of the prior excerpt as shared in post #20 (for context) and continuing on from there:
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More to comeLast edited by ke7ejx; 07-18-2017, 02:58 PM.
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• Edited by a Moderator •Originally posted by davidsun View Post
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Either discuss or leave.
Now present a parable, then give us your interpretation. We can discuss. Don't just keep spamming your book. We unfortunately had to end up banning another member who would not obey the rules and kept spamming his blog.
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