Christianity is a falling religion

[Bill the Cat]

How long have fools been proclaiming the soon destruction of Christianity?

How old is Shuny?

[rogue06]

How long have fools been proclaiming the soon destruction of Christianity?

mossy remembers when Saul of Tarsus dismissed Christianity as "a fad" and "a passing craze" as he was leaving on a trip for Damascus.

[robrecht]

You got Shuny'd. I don't even bother with him any more.

As soon as he realizes Rea is not saying what he wants to believe he is saying (if Shuny ever admits it), he will immediately be saying that Rea is dead wrong, and that he (Shuny) never agreed with him, even 'though he is the one who cited him in the first place.

[Adrift]

As soon as he realizes Rea is not saying what he wants to believe he is saying (if Shuny ever admits it), he will immediately be saying that Rea is dead wrong, and that he (Shuny) never agreed with him, even 'though he is the one who cited him in the first place.

More likely he'll ignore the gaff than ever own up to it, type "trinity" and "polytheism" into his Google search bar again, and then uncritically quote mine the next 2 or 3 pages he comes across.

[Faber]

How old is Shuny?

I believe Frank Doonan is 69 years old.

[Mikeenders]

As soon as he realizes Rea is not saying what he wants to believe he is saying (if Shuny ever admits it), he will immediately be saying that Rea is dead wrong, and that he (Shuny) never agreed with him, even 'though he is the one who cited him in the first place.

I left this window open and (signed out forgetting) because I had wanted to say something to you. Just an earned compliment

Dude your patience is AMAZING. Page after page after page and intelligent enough to know it was most likely going nowhere but still patient. I guess especially coming from my perspective of having little it seems extra extraordinary. You've inspired me to try your style (in the new year I willfully procrastinate). I am not completely convinced it always works online since my other hero here is lilpixie who had me rolling earlier today but hey still.....props.....great patience.

[shunyadragon]

Nonresponsive. I asked: But do you realize that these are, according to Rea, conditions contrary to fact or not? Why do keep refusing to respond to this question?

I consider your side of the dialogue employing contorted logic and highly selective consideration of references to justify your agenda, therefore nonresponsive.

Your challenge that I am misrepresenting traditional Christianity because they believe the Trinity to be monotheistic represents a very one sided biased view of what constitutes differences in interpretation. The same would be the differences between Judaism and traditional Christianity concerning prophesy and citations supporting the Trinity. Judaism claims that traditional Christianity is 'misrepresenting' the Torah text that it supports prophesies for Jesus, and support for the Trinity. Would this be true that this is 'misrepresenting' the beliefs of Judaism?

I read the footnoted source and do not consider it convincing IF the three persons are considered 'distinct' as opposed to 'manifestations' as described in the original article. The argument in (Bower and Rea 2005) is described as 'novel' and highly hypothetical depending on a lot of 'IFs' when comparing material 'sameness' with Trinitarian 'sameness.'

[robrecht]

I consider your side of the dialogue employing contorted logic to selectively justify your agenda, therefore nonresponsive.

I read the footnoted source and do not consider it convincing IF the three persons are considered 'distinct' as opposed to 'manifestations' as described in the original article. The argument in (Bower and Rea 2005) is described as 'novel' and highly hypothetical depending on a lot of 'IFs' when comparing material 'sameness' with Trinitarian 'sameness.'

So now you don't agree with Rea, right?

[robrecht]

I left this window open and (signed out forgetting) because I had wanted to say something to you. Just an earned compliment

Dude your patience is AMAZING. Page after page after page and intelligent enough to know it was most likely going nowhere but still patient. I guess especially coming from my perspective of having little it seems extra extraordinary. You've inspired me to try your style (in the new year I willfully procrastinate). I am not completely convinced it always works online since my other hero here is lilpixie who had me rolling earlier today but hey still.....props.....great patience.

Maybe it comes from helping students work on their dissertations. I only did this for a few years but it did teach me patience with others. It helps that I first had to learn to be patient with myself. I don't participate in too many threads, but from what I've seen of lilpixie's 'style', I don't like it.

[Bill the Cat]

Shuny rolled!!!

[robrecht]

Shuny rolled!!!

Well, you must admit, I called it ahead of time. He will probably now use these shenanigans as an excuse to abandon the conversation, which is a shame in my opinion. If he could learn to be respectful of the beliefs of others and self-critical of his own beliefs, he would be able to have productive dialogue. He does have valuable points to bring to the table and the Baha'i perspective is a very good one, in my opinion. I also don't like Rea's approach to the Trinity. The challenge for Shuny is to admit that he misread Rea's logic in this article, rather than claim that he supposedly changed his opinion between 2005 and 2006.

[shunyadragon]

Well, you must admit, I called it ahead of time. He will probably now use these shenanigans as an excuse to abandon the conversation, which is a shame in my opinion. If he could learn to be respectful of the beliefs of others and self-critical of his own beliefs, he would be able to have productive dialogue. He does have valuable points to bring to the table and the Baha'i perspective is a very good one, in my opinion. I also don't like Rea's approach to the Trinity. The challenge for Shuny is to admit that he misread Rea's logic in this article, rather than claim that he supposedly changed his opinion between 2005 and 2006.

I will not abandon the conversation despite your shenanagans.

Again, again, again, and again; What evidence do propose would possibly exist that would support or refute such an argument.

[shunyadragon]

Robrecht, you still have not responded to this problem.

Your challenge that I am misrepresenting traditional Christianity because they believe the Trinity to be monotheistic represents a very one sided biased view of what constitutes differences in interpretation. The same would be the differences between Judaism and traditional Christianity concerning prophesy and citations supporting the Trinity. Judaism claims that traditional Christianity is 'misrepresenting' the Torah text that it supports prophesies for Jesus, and support for the Trinity. Would this be true that this is 'misrepresenting' the beliefs of Judaism?

As far as OT scripture in this discussion concerning the Trinity versus pure monotheism I definitely side with the Jewism understanding of the nature of a monotheistic God as it evolved in the scripture of the OT from the Jewish perspective and reject the traditional Christian 'misrepresentation' and 'manipulation' of the text to justify the Trinity.

[One Bad Pig]

I will not abandon the conversation despite your shenanagans.

Again, again, again, and again; What evidence do propose would possibly exist that would support or refute such an argument.

Looks like he's chosen the other option, robrecht - change the subject a bit, and attempt to put you on the defensive.

[shunyadragon]

Looks like he's chosen the other option, robrecht - change the subject a bit, and attempt to put you on the defensive.

No change of subject whatsoever, nor nothing new. This is a question of a long standing problem with Robrecht asserting there was no evidence for my side of the discussion, but failing to demonstrate what sort of evidence would be possible in such a discussion.