Is Kolob a star or a planet?

[Cow Poke]

Wouldn't there be an infinite number of inhabited planets in Mormonism? How far back does the chain of man becomes god makes man becomes god makes man... go??? How couuld billions of kids be produced by one couple? How could physical entities have spirit children?

I once got INCREDIBLY hostile responses from a couple of our Tweb Mormons for answering this question "in a crude and disrespectful" way, and was accused of using anti-Mormon websites to mock them.

My quote was directly from LDS.org.

[Christianbookworm]

So they do have a response? What is it? And do they think God was a homo sapiens? Or what? Did any of the planets explode(bad joke)?

[Cerealman]

I once got INCREDIBLY hostile responses from a couple of our Tweb Mormons for answering this question "in a crude and disrespectful" way, and was accused of using anti-Mormon websites to mock them.

My quote was directly from LDS.org.

Awkward

[Cow Poke]

Awkward

Same thing happened when I portrayed Smith with his face stuffed in his hat, supposedly translating the Golden Plates. I was accused of getting that from "Mormon Attack" threads, and it was simply false. I had actually gotten it from FairMormon.org.

I honestly think many of the Mormons have any idea of some of the stuff in their own Church's history, or on their own websites.

[seven7up]

I once got INCREDIBLY hostile responses from a couple of our Tweb Mormons for answering this question "in a crude and disrespectful" way, and was accused of using anti-Mormon websites to mock them.

Tell me, ... Is Jesus Christ "fully God" (fulness of Deity)?



If "Christians" want to mock Latter-Day Saints because we believe that we are made in God's image and likeness, and we believe that God can dwell on a world ... then those Mormons should have simply asked the "Christians" where they think that Jesus Christ will dwell at the Second Coming.

Some people just like repeatedly making fools of themselves by attempting to hide behind double standards while deriding the religion of Latter Day Saints.

Does it bother you that I can see right through?

Awkward.

-7up

[Christianbookworm]

The problem isn't God becoming a human. The problem is thinking a finite being can become an infinite eternal Being, man becoming a god. One theory is that Jesus doesn't manifest as a physical body due to being outside Space-Time.

[seven7up]

The problem isn't God becoming a human. The problem is thinking a finite being can become an infinite eternal Being, ...

What do you mean by "infinite"? Are you referring to God's supposed "omnipresence"?

One theory is that Jesus doesn't manifest as a physical body due to being outside Space-Time.

Sounds like an interesting theory. What scripture is used to support that theory?


-7up

[Christianbookworm]

It's just philosophical musings by William Craig. I meant the three omni's and being eternal. Why do you thing that the incarnation is the same as the other way around? Where in Scripture does it say that God had a beginning? Not to mention the infinite regress of gods in Mormonism.

[seven7up]

It's just philosophical musings by William Craig.

All right then.

I meant the three omni's and being eternal.

The only "omni" that I disagree with is "omnipresence" in a literal sense that you would apply to it. From what I read in scripture, God's person has a location and a presence. This is true no matter what member of the Godhead you are referring to.

I quoted this earlier, but it applies to your comment here as well:

Why do you thing that the incarnation is the same as the other way around?

I am simply pointing out the misconception of a supposed "ontological divide". Why do you limit God's ability to bring us "the other way around"? Are you denying omnipotence?

Where in Scripture does it say that God had a beginning?

Mormons don't believe in a "beginning" in the sense you are attempting. There was a "beginning" to the physical reality that we see here in time and space. That is what Genesis 1 refers to.

In terms of the "unseen" reality, Joseph Smith taught that the "mind" of each man, or his "intelligence" has always existed. It had no beginning. This is certainly true for God's mind as well.

-7up

[Cow Poke]

If "Christians"

Ah, the "Christians" in quotation marks!

want to mock Latter-Day Saints because we believe that we are made in God's image and likeness, and we believe that God can dwell on a world ... then those Mormons should have simply asked the "Christians" where they think that Jesus Christ will dwell at the Second Coming.

Not on the sun or the moon or a planet (or sun) named Kolob.

Some people just like repeatedly making fools of themselves

Hey, now, I'm not the one who claimed that there were people living on the moon who dress like Quakers! NOR am I part of a religion that TAUGHT that.

by attempting to hide behind double standards while deriding the religion of Latter Day Saints.

Does it bother you that I can see right through?

Awkward.

-7up

I've noticed you're on this "double standard" kick lately. And, no, it doesn't bother me in the least that you PRETEND to "see right through me".

[Sparko]

So they do have a response? What is it? And do they think God was a homo sapiens? Or what? Did any of the planets explode(bad joke)?

Actually you are not far off. The Mormon idea of "God" is pretty much just a man with superpowers. He is not omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, etc.

[Sparko]

[foudroyant]

Actually you are not far off. The Mormon idea of "God" is pretty much just a man with superpowers. He is not omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, etc.

Are you sure Sparko? I ask because here they claim He is omnipotent and omniscient.

God: Latter-day Saints believe that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-loving, and they pray to Him in the name of Jesus Christ.
https://www.lds.org/topics/christian...ery=omniscient

Jesus: We pray to our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the great Mediator. Though omnipotent and omniscient, all-powerful and all-knowing, He is our friend.
https://www.lds.org/general-conferen...y=Robert+Haleshttps://www.lds.org/general-conferen...ang=eng&query=

[Sparko]

Are you sure Sparko? I ask because here they claim He is omnipotent and omniscient.

God: Latter-day Saints believe that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-loving, and they pray to Him in the name of Jesus Christ.
https://www.lds.org/topics/christian...ery=omniscient

Jesus: We pray to our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the great Mediator. Though omnipotent and omniscient, all-powerful and all-knowing, He is our friend.
https://www.lds.org/general-conferen...y=Robert+Haleshttps://www.lds.org/general-conferen...ang=eng&query=

Remember, the LDS loves to use Christian terms, but assign them different meanings. For example, how can God be omnipresent if he is limited to a flesh and bone body? And when they say he knows "all things" you have to ask yourself what they mean by that. Does that include the future, for example? 7-up has been arguing against Omniscience in his thread on Ex Nihilo. Which brings us to Omnipotent. The LDS God cannot created matter, he can only re-arrange it. So how is that omnipotent?

[foudroyant]

Thank you. I am once again reminded of the book by the late Walter Martin entitled: "The Maze of Mormonism".

I tell my wife Mormonism is the most convoluted belief system that I have ever encountered.