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He was calling YOU a modalist. IFIf it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE! -
Jew and Gentiles! Duh.Originally posted by foudroyant View PostIf it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!Comment
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
It goes both ways. But these snide comments by Sparko are far too shallow to make any real points.
In reality, the title of "YHWH" can be applied to both the Father and the Son. The title "God" can be applied to both the Father and the Son. This is true of many titles of Deity, because both the Father and the Son are Divine.
In the Old Testament, the "Angle of the Lord's presence" was the mouthpiece of God, a perfect representative who spoke the will of the Father. That does not mean that they are the same person or the same being.
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7UP: Mormons simply teach what Christ taught: to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Why would you want to overthrow the teachings of Jesus?
Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
Sure it is. However, it is quite a stretch to claim that your presumptuous interpretation of 1 Corinthians 1:2 should overthrow Christ's quite specific and repeated teachings on how we are to pray.
Get over it.
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Originally posted by seven7up View Post
I was talking about LDS theology. If Jesus was YHWH as you claim, then when he was telling the Jews to pray to God (YHWH) he was telling them to pray to himself.
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Not from what I have read on LDS sites. According to the LDS, YHWH was the son, not the father. Can you show me otherwise?Originally posted by seven7up View Post
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It's not "my presumptuous interpretation". Plenty of experts in Greek teach that it refers to praying to the Lord Jesus. Where are your citations of Greek experts that teach it doesn't refer to praying to the Lord Jesus? So far you have provided nothing.Originally posted by seven7up View Post
So your claim that what they are saying would "overthrow Christ's quite specific and repeating teachings on how we are to pray" is ridiculous.Last edited by foudroyant; 05-08-2014, 03:20 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
So, you agree that 1 Corinthians 1:2 should not be taken as an example contrary to what Christ taught and what LDS teach about prayer.
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1 Corinthians 1:2 does not contradict what Christ taught about prayer.
It does contradict what the LDS teach about prayer because 1 Corinthians 1:2 teaches that the Lord Jesus is to be prayed to.Comment
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
If you know about LDS doctrine, you know that Jesus Christ is following in the footsteps of the Father, and inherits everything that the Father has ... including the Father's name/titles.
You are correct that LDS understand that it was Jesus Christ, known as Jehovah/YHWH, that was directly interacting with man kind in the Bible on behalf of the Father. He , as a mediator, is acting in his Father's name.
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You mean like:Originally posted by Sparko View Post
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Even the "God the Father" entry is about JesusOriginally posted by lds.org
Originally posted by lds.orgThat's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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McConkie says the Father's name is Elohim. Nowhere on LDS.org is the Father called Jehovah.Originally posted by seven7up View PostThat's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. DonaldsonComment
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LDS simply teach what Jesus did: namely that when we pray we should pray to God the Father , in the name of Jesus Christ.Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
Now read the scripture that you are referring to.
"to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all those calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place -- both theirs and ours": (1 Corinthians 1:2)
The teachings of Jesus Christ, of the LDS church, and 1 Corinthians 1:2 all agree.
Your assertion that scriptures teach that we should leave God the Father out of prayer is ridiculous. So ridiculous, that you have made a fool out of yourself on this thread.
1 Corinthians 1:2 does not say that we should exclude the Father. Sorry.
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I already pointed out other passages where the Bible teaches the Father is to be prayed to.
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http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...s-or-not/page3
1 Corinthians 1:2 teaches the Lord Jesus is to be prayed to.
Mormons deny the Lord Jesus is to be prayed to. Thus the Mormons contradict what 1 Corinthians 1:2 teaches.Last edited by foudroyant; 05-09-2014, 07:33 PM.Comment
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He says quite plainly:Originally posted by seven7up View Post
New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"
This is a reference to Deuteronomy 10:20 which teaches:
Deuteronomy 10:20
Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name.
Which, according to your church, the LORD is Jesus, so Jesus is telling them to worship Him alone, and not the Father.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. DonaldsonComment
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