The New Testament is Anti-Semitic

[robrecht]

I have addressed the main issues of the thread. The main issues appear an embarrassment is some, therefore side shows and dog and pony shows dominate the counter arguments.

Your posts have been amusing but no one went so far as to call you a dog or pony.

[shunyadragon]

[QUOTE=robrecht;163907]Initially, eight days after the thread began, he understood the issue of the thread, but also tried to expand the discussion to that of antisemitism in the history of Christianity. Here he actually referred to Paul's intended meaning in the original context of his letter to the Romans.

This text clearly refers to those Jews and Christians who converted to Christianity. This most definitely needs to be put in context of the whole and not used as a selective reference. This also true of selectively quoting Paul's letters.

A few days later, he was only interested in discussing the New Testament as a source for the views of later Christians:

Yes, the NT as a whole is the issue, and ALL the citations that collectively develop the anti-Jewish view of Christian Rome and later Europe

[robrecht]

Yes, the NT as a whole is the issue, and ALL the citations that collectively develop the anti-Jewish view of Christian Rome and later Europe

Then why would you start out by speaking of Paul's intended meaning in his letter to the Romans when speaking about antisemitism in the New Testament? By the way, when discussing Paul's attitude toward 'the Jews', you should read the whole letter.

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[Adrift]

I have addressed the main issues of the thread. The main issues appear an embarrassment is some, therefore side shows and dog and pony shows dominate the counter arguments.

If the thread creator told you that the New Testament is the focus of the thread, and not Constantine or the later Roman church, would you listen to him, and stop telling others that THEY are off topic? Its a yes or no question.

Scrawly, are you still reading this thread? Would you mind addressing this subject?

[shunyadragon]

Your posts have been amusing but no one went so far as to call you a dog or pony.

I am sure by nature of your posts that is your view, but it remains a fact that you are avoiding the central issue of the thread, the NT in the history of pogroms and persecution of Jews in Europe by the Emperors, Kings and leaders, and Heads of the churches including the Roman Church. Clouding the issue with side shows not directly related to the topic.

[robrecht]

I am sure by nature of your posts that is your view, but it remains a fact that you are avoiding the central issue of the thread, the NT in the history of pogroms and persecution of Jews in Europe by the Emperors, Kings and leaders, and Heads of the churches including the Roman Church. Clouding the issue with side shows not directly related to the topic.

Does the link in the initial post mention anything at all about the history of pogroms and persecution of Jews in Europe by emperors, kings, leaders, and heads of the churches, including the Roman Catholic Church or does it address the intended meaning of the authors of New Testament texts in their original historical contexts?

For the record, I do not think you are a dog or pony.

[shunyadragon]

If the thread creator told you that the New Testament is the focus of the thread, and not Constantine or the later Roman church, would you listen to him, and stop telling others that THEY are off topic? Its a yes or no question.

Under the rule of Constantine is when the NT was standardized and became the standard of the Roman Church and the Christian Roman Empire and when the pogroms and persecution of Jews began on a scale that continued for ~1600 years. These facts cannot be avoided by side shows.

Scrawly, are you still reading this thread? Would you mind addressing this subject?

Appealing for censorship does not change the facts.

[shunyadragon]

Does the link in the initial post mention anything at all about the history of pogroms and persecution of Jews in Europe by emperors, kings, leaders, and heads of the churches, including the Roman Catholic Church or does it address the intended meaning of the authors of New Testament texts in their original historical contexts?

It begins the record by citing the scripture and text of the NT. Read Foote and Wheeler in Crimes of Christianity, particularly Chapter VIII to go on with related history and cause. Other parts of the book go into the historical references of the subject.

[robrecht]

Under the rule of Constantine is when the NT was standardized and became the standard of the Roman Church and the Christian Roman Empire and when the pogroms and persecution of Jews began on a scale that continued for ~1600 years. These facts cannot be avoided by side shows.

Appealing for censorship does not change the facts.

You have criticized others for avoiding the issue of this thread. It is not censorship for the thread creator to clarify for you the issue he intended to be discussed in this thread. Or you could merely read his link and you will see that it is discussing the intended meaning by the authors of the original texts of the New Testament in their original historical context and not how these texts were applied by Constantine and later European leaders.

[37818]

I am sure by nature of your posts that is your view, but it remains a fact that you are avoiding the central issue of the thread, the NT in the history of pogroms and persecution of Jews in Europe by the Emperors, Kings and leaders, and Heads of the churches including the Roman Church. Clouding the issue with side shows not directly related to the topic.

Most of the NT was written before 70 CE. The book called the Revelation/Apocalypse is commonly given a later date.

[robrecht]

It begins the record by citing the scripture and text of the NT. Read Foote and Wheeler in Crimes of Christianity, particularly Chapter VIII to go on with related history and cause. Other parts of the book go into the historical references of the subject.

Start your own thread about Foote and Wheeler. This one was started to discuss a link to a little article by Dan Wallace about the originally intended meaning of some New Testament texts.

[Scrawly]

Yes Shuny Rob is correct as to the point of this thread. Have you read the article?

[shunyadragon]

Most of the NT was written before 70 CE. The book called the Revelation/Apocalypse is commonly given a later date.

No known evidence to support this.

[shunyadragon]

Yes Shuny Rob is correct as to the point of this thread. Have you read the article?

Yes, my pointe is clear the persecution and pogroms bran with Constantine making a uniform version of the New Testament standard in Christian Rome and the Roman Church. The NT is cited repeatedly in history to support the persecution and pogroms against the Jews. The previously cited references in the NT have not been disputed.

[robrecht]

Yes, my pointe is clear the persecution and pogroms bran with Constantine making a uniform version of the New Testament standard in Christian Rome and the Roman Church. The NT is cited repeatedly in history to support the persecution and pogroms against the Jews. The previously cited references in the NT have not been disputed.

Bran??? Pointe???