The New Testament is Anti-Semitic

[robrecht]

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in Alaska?

In reality Israelites are Jews. Jews of the New Testament and the Old Testament are the ancestors of most of the Jews today.

You need to explain how this is even remotely an issue.

Because you are using the term anachronistically, as I've tried to point out to you before. Polemics with the Judean leadership in Jerusalem, which is part of the semantic range of the contemporary Greek usage, is not the same as being opposed to what is meant today by the Jewish religion or race.

[robrecht]

The term Israelite is a modern term for the Jewish citizens of Israel. ... Jews became Israelites with the founding of the state of Israel.

Completely false. Read the New Testament before you attempt to make such ridiculous pronouncements.

[shunyadragon]

Because you are using the term anachronistically, as I've tried to point out to you before. Polemics with the Judean leadership in Jerusalem, which is part of the semantic range of the contemporary Greek usage, is not the same as being opposed to what is meant today by the Jewish religion or race.

Your splitting from hairs over terminology. Jews is a satisfactory term for Jews throughout history what ever you want to call them. Your dancing dodging and weaving in meaningless details avoiding the main issue of the thread.

[shunyadragon]

Completely false. Read the New Testament before you attempt to make such ridiculous pronouncements.

I may have slipped on wording, but Israelites and Jews are interchangeable here regardless. In the contemporary sense, yes residents of Israel are Israelites.

[robrecht]

Your splitting from hairs over terminology. Jews is a satisfactory term for Jews throughout history what ever you want to call them. Your dancing dodging and weaving in meaningless details avoiding the main issue of the thread.

If you are not interested in the meaning of the terms you use poorly, I cannot help you.

[robrecht]

I may have slipped on wording, but Israelites and Jews are interchangeable here regardless.

Translation. You're just making stuff up and you got caught.

[shunyadragon]

If you are not interested in the meaning of the terms you use poorly, I cannot help you.

The differentiation of Jews and Israelites is not important to the subject of the thread, both would subject to wide scale pogroms, persecution, ethnic cleansing by Christians over the centuries since Constantine based on the scripture I cited, and other references.

[shunyadragon]

First, Constantine did not write the New Testament. Second, there are always (at least) two sides of every polemic. Third, the Jewish Christians who saw themselves as persecuted by Jewish authorities interpreted such as taking up their own cross and following in Christ's footsteps so the issue of Jesus martyrdom and the persecution of his followers by Jewish authorities were inextricably related by authors of the New Testament.

I never said Constantine wrote the NT, but nonetheless . . .

The NT was compiled, edited and rewritten under Constantine's reign and authority.by Eusebius. Orthodox Christianity begins here.

[robrecht]

The differentiation of Jews and Israelites is not important to the subject of the thread, both would subject to wide scale pogroms, persecution, ethnic cleansing by Christians over the centuries since Constantine based on the scripture I cited, and other references.

Nonsense. It is absolutely essential to the subject of this thread, which is meant to discuss whether the New Testament is antisemitic. You seem to think the thread is about Constantine and his or others' misunderstanding of terms as used in various historical contexts, and you seem to be content to continue in your own indifference to understanding the texts of the New Testament as intended by their original authors.

[robrecht]

I never said Constantine wrote the NT, but nonetheless . . .

The NT was compiled, edited and rewritten under Constantine's reign and authority.by Eusebius. Orthodox Christianity begins here.

Exactly which parts are you claiming were rewritten under Constantine. Making more stuff up?

[shunyadragon]

Nonsense. It is absolutely essential to the subject of this thread, which is meant to discuss whether the New Testament is antisemitic. You seem to think the thread is about Constantine and his or others' misunderstanding of terms as used in various historical contexts, and you seem to be content to continue in your own indifference to understanding the texts of the New Testament as intended by their original authors.

Never said this of Constantine, nor is it about him specifically, except that anti-Jewish pogroms, and NT scripture that supports this in Christian history was compiled under his authority.

[robrecht]

Never said this of Constantine, nor is it about, except that anti-Jewish pogroms, and NT scripture that supports this in Christian history was compiled under his authority.

So why do you keep bringing up Constantine? The thread is about the New Testament, which was written prior to the time of Constantine. You may want to believe some speculative conspiracy theory about the New Testament being rewritten under Constantine, but you cannot substantiate this.

[shunyadragon]

So why do you keep bringing up Constantine? The thread is about the New Testament, which was written prior to the time of Constantine. You may want to believe some speculative conspiracy theory about the New Testament being rewritten under Constantine, but you cannot substantiate this.

The New Testament was quite variable and inconsistent prior to Constantine. The Canon accepted by Constantine is basically the same as what was made Canon by the Second Council of Trullan 692 AD. It represents the beginning of the pogroms against the Jews.

Source: http://www.ntcanon.org/Bibles_of_Constantine.shtml

The canon of the New Testament is the set of books Christians regard as divinely inspired and constituting the New Testament of the Christian Bible. For most, it is an agreed-upon list of twenty-seven books that includes the Canonical Gospels, Acts, letters of the Apostles, and Revelation. The books of the canon of the New Testament were written mostly in the first century and finished by the year 150 AD. For the Orthodox, the recognition of these writings as authoritative was formalized in the Second Council of Trullan of 692, although it was nearly universally accepted in the mid 300s.[1] The Biblical canon was the result of debate and research, reaching its final term for Catholics at the dogmatic definition of the Council of Trent in the 16th Century, when the Old Testament Canon was finalized in the Catholic Church as well.

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Constantine began the first organized Christian efforts to restrict and persecute Christians in Rome.

Source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_pers1.htm

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AD 306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews. 3,4

315 AD: Constantine published the Edict of Milan which extended religious tolerance to Christians. Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize.

325 AD: The Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover. They stated: "For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people...We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews...our worship follows a...more convenient course...we desire dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews...How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are almost certainly blinded."

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[shunyadragon]

Source: http://www.ftarchives.net/foote/crimes/c8.htm

The enmity of Jews and Christians doubtless dates from the time when the chosen people first denied the Messiahship and resurrection of Jesus, and the Christians departed from the Jewish law. It was not, however, until the time of Constantine that Christians could make their opponents feel the terrors of the sword.

"The zeal which Constantine had for Christianity set him against the Jews, as they were enemies to the gospel. He subjected to punishment those who should become proselytes to Judaism, and he ruled the Jews with a strict and heavy hand. He ordered churches to be built, not only where they were necessary, but in those towns and villages which were inhabited almost only by Jews, which must have been a great mortification to the people. He made a law, as an ancient author tells us, which condemned those who should speak evil of Christ to lose half their estate."

Constantine issued an edict in which, after upbraiding the Jews with stoning to death any persons who quitted their religion (which they were authorized to do by their divine law), he condemned them and their accomplices to the same inhuman punishment. He prohibited them from circumcising their slaves, and ordered all those to be set at liberty who had been so used, or who were willing to embrace Christianity. If the slave of a Christian became a Christian he remained a slave, but the slave of a Jew had only to become a Christian to claim his freedom. The Jew who married a Christian incurred the penalty of death.

"Under the reign of Constantine, the Jews became the subjects of their revolted children, nor was it long before they experienced the bitterness of domestic tyranny. The civil immunities which had been granted, or conferred, by Severus, were gradually repealed by the Christian princes; and a rash tumult, excited by the Jews of Palestine, seemed to justify the lucrative models of oppression, which were invented by the bishops and eunuchs of the court of Constantius."

The edict of Hadrian, prohibiting them from ever approaching the site of Jerusalem, was renewed and enforced, and St. Chrysostom even assures us that when they assembled to rebuild their holy city, Constantine cut off their ears and dispersed them as fugitive slaves throughout the provinces of the empire. Eutychius adds that the emperor obliged them all to be baptised and to eat pork at
Easter. Constantius burnt all their cities in Palestine and slew all he could find, without sparing even the women and children.

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[robrecht]

Exactly as I predicted. You cannot substantiate your speculative conspiracy theory that the New Testament was rewritten under Constantine.