[QUOTE=JohnnyP;109432]I'm not sure if this thread is still active but as to the point of compelling all nations to serve God:
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Not something that is convincing considering the fallibility of human nature and the fact that you are arguing the fallacy of popularity.
Apathy of religious belief and commitment is a problem in Christianity also.
Good question, but not resolved in the belief in Christianity.
Jesus did change and clarify some Laws of the Torah, but this has become a very murky and confusing issue in the History of Christianity.
Messianic prophesies remain another murky and confusing issue concerning the prophesies Christ claimed to fulfill and those that point to the future beyond Christ.
Some of the confusing claims of prophesy in the New Testament remain a problem in terms of there actual meaning in Jewish terms. The Doctrines and Dogma of Christianity defining the Trinity remains an insurmountable barrier to traditional Judaism. The persecution and ethic cleansing of Jews over the Millennia remain problematic for Jews to become Christians. The beliefs of Islam and the Baha'i Faith are more consistent and in line with Old Testament beliefs concerning the nature of God.
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
I think there's something to be said about over half the world believing in the God of Israel AND in Jesus, albeit with different views in Islam and in Christianity.
Versus according to some statistics, .2% of the world being Jews not believing in Jesus and of them, perhaps over half not even believing in the God of Israel, identifying as Jews ethnically not religiously.
What is it about Jesus that causes such great belief in the God of Israel, and being without Jesus causes disbelief?
I'm one of those who don't see Jesus, Paul, or anyone in the NT abolishing Torah for Jews. Jesus said it stands until heaven and earth pass, which according to Revelation happens at Judgment when death is no more, indicating that at least some of the Laws regarding the death penalty are no longer relevant.
That perception exists mainly because Paul is such a primary character in the NT and his mission was to Gentiles who aren't compelled to observe all Torah either in Christianity or Judaism, a rough sketch of Noahide being found in Acts 15.
That perception exists mainly because Paul is such a primary character in the NT and his mission was to Gentiles who aren't compelled to observe all Torah either in Christianity or Judaism, a rough sketch of Noahide being found in Acts 15.
I'm not certain any Messianic prophecies claim that all Jews must first be united under God, then come all the Gentiles to belief, especially since things have moved in an opposite direction to that on a global basis.
I think my post in the virgin birth thread also gives some compelling reasons, and overall questions the idea that if one is killed he can't be Messiah, since this dismisses the possibility of resurrection to complete the mission. I'm not aware of any prophecy restricting that, or any time limit imposed as to whether it should take 2 or 2000 years. Some Jews are certainly waiting for Elijah to return to complete his mission, for example.
I'll offer those two topics to start.
I'll offer those two topics to start.
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