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That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by siam View PostI absolutely deny it.
Perhaps I can get through to you another way............(If not, I will give up )
If I were to make this statement....would you agree to it....?....
America ALONE among today's modern nations has murder and terrorism as an acceptable "tool" of "evangelism".
(the ideology they would be "evangelizing" would be Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism)
Examples of terrorism and murder-------
Drone terrorism---where innocent men women and children are murdered---used in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia and perhaps in the Philippines.
Extraordinary renditions---Foreign civilians are kidnapped off the streets and tortured at "Black Sites", CIA run prisons
Covert ops, black ops, CIA operations----were Armed Americans interfere (including assassinations) in foreign territories/nations to destabilize and exploit. example, South America.
Wars of Aggression---were Americans attack another country on false pretenses. examples....Iraq, Afghanistan.
...and so forth.......
When we are deluded we can make statements based on false premises. Such statements would be false, untruthful, wrong, incorrect.....need I go on....?.....That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by siam View PostWhen we are deluded we can make statements based on false premises.
Such statements would be false, untruthful, wrong, incorrect.....need I go on....?.....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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The Golden Rule to Becoming Better People Through Religious Practices
By Ameena Jandali and Dr. Henry Millstein
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmusl...ous-practices/
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Originally posted by siam View PostThe Golden Rule to Becoming Better People Through Religious Practices.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThou shalt not strap on a suicide vest and murder a bunch of innocent people.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostOr tell Christians in Iraq that they must convert, pay a high tax, or die by the sword...
The Christians who have moved out are being given refuge by other Iraqi's and people in the region.
Human beings are good and bad and here are examples of good---
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...m_hp_ref=islam
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5587742.html
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Ramadan is a special time, but there is only so much spirituality one can stomach (especially on an empty stomach) so, here is a bit of humor.
How Ramadan Helped Make Me A Soccer Fan
By Hesham Hassaballa, July 8, 2014 at 11:57 am
http://www.chicagonow.com/midwestern...-a-soccer-fan/
In the Name of God: the Infinitely Merciful and Compassionate Beloved Lord
Growing up, I never really liked soccer. I had played it at the age of nine for one year and hated the experience (probably because I was so bad at it). So, when the World Cup started, I had an aloof interest but was never really into the tournament. That is, until Ramadan started.
Ramadan, the ninth Islamic month during which Muslims (including this one) forgo food and drink from dawn until sunset, started on June 28. That happened to be the very same day the "knockout round" of the World Cup began. So, to help pass the time - and there's a lot of it to pass - I started watching each game. And I really liked what I saw.
I didn't realize how great international soccer can be, even though the scores are much lower than that to which we Americans are accustomed. There is a lot of amazing athletic ability, intrigue, strategy, and sheer excitement. Of course, I was rooting for the USA and was very saddened when they lost to Belgium. But, even after our guys went home, I continued to watch the other matches, and it was a truly enjoyable experience.
Indeed, I should have been reading scripture and been engaged in deep spiritual reflection since this is, after all, Ramadan. But, the World Cup only comes around once every four years, and the games this year have been, quite honestly, too good to pass up. I now truly can't wait to see the Brazil-Germany game later this afternoon, and I'm looking forward to watching the Netherlands take on Argentina.
I'm beginning to learn various players' names; I've asked friends and family about the various rules of international soccer and the different leagues around the world. I am beginning to look forward to watching the games in the Premier League and other leagues across Europe. I even watched a Chicago Fire game the other day on TV (although, I must admit, it wasn't as exciting). Moreover, I really like the fact that I can watch an entire half commercial free, and this makes the game all the more enjoyable. In fact, I wish more American sports games on TV had the same set up.
All this because the World Cup happened to be during Ramadan in Summer, when I can't eat for a very, very, very long time. Again, ideally, I should have spent all those hours - watching the amazing goals and penalty kicks, blocks and extra time - reading scripture and praying to God. That's what Ramadan is truly all about: self-reflection and spiritual renewal. But, I couldn't help myself. The games were truly awesome. I pray the Lord forgives me for all those hours spent watching soccer when I should have been worshiping.
But I hope and pray it will ultimately be a good thing, especially if it gets me more excited about playing soccer with my kids, two of whom are slated to play this fall. What's more, perhaps the next time someone walks up to me - as I am wearing my Arsenals jersey - and says, "Tough season for the Gunners, man!" I will have some inkling as to what in God's Most Holy Name he is talking about.
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Originally posted by siam View Post
What a crazy religion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by siam View PostThe Christians who have moved out are being given refuge by other Iraqi's and people in the region.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by siam View PostThe Christians who have moved out are being given refuge by other Iraqi's and people in the region.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo you have any support for this statement?
1)http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/21/wo...lee-mosul.htmlhttp://www.juancole.com/2014/07/chri...inorities.html
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Originally posted by siam View PostExamples of unity with Christians.....
Pretend all you want, your religion is rife with rape, murder, persecution, brutality and hate. Not to mention how your people treat women and young girls.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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