In blind and wild denial again, siam. This time for all the world to see 😂.
Like I already exposed, the koran does NOT espouse or teach pure monotheism like you like to wildly preach and propagate.
The violent and turpid differences between the many various Islamic factions from the start of islam until now, was NOT mono-thematic. It was not just about politics & who wielded political power & control over others "for Allah".
There were many multiple strands in the intra-muslim struggles and disunity among them proves that islam was never a blessing to mankind - as it claims for dakwah purposes.
One big strand was the destruction by fire of the koran followed by the man-made standardization & republication of the koran, under Uthman b. Affan's unilateral instructions by force.
Another strand of disunity in islam is the EARLY theological fights between muslim scholars and muslims themselves. This involved the divine nature of the koran in relation to the Muslim god and his nature.
By declaring the koran and the mother of the koran "eternal and uncreated", surah 13/39, 85/22 and many such koran ayats/verses confirm confusion and contradiction about Allah's true nature. No consensus about his alleged "monotheism". If he is "eternal AND uncreated", then so is the ummul kitab / mother of the book and the tablets sitting next to Allah or, under his throne - further blurry koranic confusion here, and muslim scholars are equally confused about this.
The muslim rationalists and shia scholars reject the quranic claim of the eternal AND uncreated trait of the tablets & mother of the book. So God was without his words at a point in time. He was both dumb AND mute.
Just look up the fierce islamic theological arguments, quarrels, fights and violence among muslims and scholars over the centuries, you will get a real sense of non - consensus, alienation, antagonism and deep divided disunity between orthodox and the thinking scholars between what is eternal, uncreated and divine in islam.
Showing there is really no clarity about "monotheism" at all in the koran. Leading to these theological breaches present in islam from the beginning until today.
You say that the Trinity is hard to understand. The ulama and muslim scholars themselves could not understand the nature of the eternal and uncreated.
There is much more that is confused, unintelligible and irrational in islam compared to Christianity.
Muslim scholars both orthodox and otherwise, have a simple escape from this irresponsible and reckless attitude for islam.. just blabber the Sunni magic mantra to wish away these orthodox conundrum & contradictions - just blab "walahualam" - "god knows best", and stop bugging them with these pesky, inconvenient questions!
There are just no good or sensible answers for these koranic theological contradictions that any thinker can give. Just follow all that with blind & thoughtless FAITH..
Yes, that is why many Muslims are abandoning and leaving islam over the last 25 - 30 years in large numbers. They who quit islam are not your common person, but thinking and rational muslims who are using their minds without fear or favor.
Thats why I will never convert to such a ludicrous and intellectually confused and confusing religion like islam and it's illogical book the Koran.
Like I already exposed, the koran does NOT espouse or teach pure monotheism like you like to wildly preach and propagate.
The violent and turpid differences between the many various Islamic factions from the start of islam until now, was NOT mono-thematic. It was not just about politics & who wielded political power & control over others "for Allah".
There were many multiple strands in the intra-muslim struggles and disunity among them proves that islam was never a blessing to mankind - as it claims for dakwah purposes.
One big strand was the destruction by fire of the koran followed by the man-made standardization & republication of the koran, under Uthman b. Affan's unilateral instructions by force.
Another strand of disunity in islam is the EARLY theological fights between muslim scholars and muslims themselves. This involved the divine nature of the koran in relation to the Muslim god and his nature.
By declaring the koran and the mother of the koran "eternal and uncreated", surah 13/39, 85/22 and many such koran ayats/verses confirm confusion and contradiction about Allah's true nature. No consensus about his alleged "monotheism". If he is "eternal AND uncreated", then so is the ummul kitab / mother of the book and the tablets sitting next to Allah or, under his throne - further blurry koranic confusion here, and muslim scholars are equally confused about this.
The muslim rationalists and shia scholars reject the quranic claim of the eternal AND uncreated trait of the tablets & mother of the book. So God was without his words at a point in time. He was both dumb AND mute.
Just look up the fierce islamic theological arguments, quarrels, fights and violence among muslims and scholars over the centuries, you will get a real sense of non - consensus, alienation, antagonism and deep divided disunity between orthodox and the thinking scholars between what is eternal, uncreated and divine in islam.
Showing there is really no clarity about "monotheism" at all in the koran. Leading to these theological breaches present in islam from the beginning until today.
You say that the Trinity is hard to understand. The ulama and muslim scholars themselves could not understand the nature of the eternal and uncreated.
There is much more that is confused, unintelligible and irrational in islam compared to Christianity.
Muslim scholars both orthodox and otherwise, have a simple escape from this irresponsible and reckless attitude for islam.. just blabber the Sunni magic mantra to wish away these orthodox conundrum & contradictions - just blab "walahualam" - "god knows best", and stop bugging them with these pesky, inconvenient questions!
There are just no good or sensible answers for these koranic theological contradictions that any thinker can give. Just follow all that with blind & thoughtless FAITH..
Yes, that is why many Muslims are abandoning and leaving islam over the last 25 - 30 years in large numbers. They who quit islam are not your common person, but thinking and rational muslims who are using their minds without fear or favor.
Thats why I will never convert to such a ludicrous and intellectually confused and confusing religion like islam and it's illogical book the Koran.
Originally posted by siam
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