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Last edited by 37818; 08-11-2015, 02:07 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Scorching Wizard View PostIndividual Jews have believed all sorts of things, but that doesn't change what Judaism is. We have an unbroken chain of transmission for Torah direct from Moses. Judaism itself has always been monotheistic.
This henotheistic thing isn't defined well enough to matter to Judaism. For example, I recognize that some people worship a deity named jesus. It is a big leap to then assume that I believe such an entity ever had any existence.
Apart from this we have the witness of 2 Kings 17 especially vs34. Even after the Assyrian exile and return, they continued to worship other gods...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostJews do not believe this is so.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by apostoli View PostUnfortunately, history refutes you as any educated Jew would be happy to advise you.
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Originally posted by Scorching Wizard View PostTrue.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostDo not believe salvation is of Judaism?Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-13-2015, 07:20 AM.
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Originally posted by apostoli View PostI thought it might be...or rather hoped it would be. As a youth one my friends had a brother-in-law who was high up in the Hare Krishna movement. From him I learnt of "maya" (?) = "all things material are an illusion" (?) It was so may decades ago I've forgotten the nitty gritty but I have a vague recollection of the concepts, and I don't see them as in conflict with Christian sensibilities...
The present scientific view of the nature of the Quantum World is a very interesting topic, but I do not believe it can be concluded that the physical world is an 'illusion' as being absolutely nothing as the Vedic (Hindu) proposes based on this.
What is described as the illusion of the nature of our physical world is being actually physical in nature as we perceive it. The underlying reality of the physical world is the more nebulous and still physical Quantum World.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-13-2015, 07:28 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes, the Jews believe in salvation, but they do not believe in a Trinitarian God, nor that Jesus Christ was God incarnate, neither do the Baha'is believe this as a Doctrine defining the nature God, which cannot be defined.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes, the Jews believe in salvation...
Judaism and Christianity have two completely different definitions for this word. In Judaism, the Torah only uses this word in the national sense, as in national salvation from war. Whereas in Christianity, the word salvation is individual and ties in to their personal sin.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWell, yeah. Because if they did then they would be Christians.
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The reality is most Theists (in the broad definition of the word including Buddhists) believe in salvation, but of course different beliefs define it differently.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-13-2015, 01:57 PM.
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Originally posted by Scorching Wizard View Postoff-.... aargh!
Judaism and Christianity have two completely different definitions for this word. In Judaism, the Torah only uses this word in the national sense, as in national salvation from war. Whereas in Christianity, the word salvation is individual and ties in to their personal sin.
http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq...faq/12-37.html
Back somewhat to the topic most Unitarians believe in the 'Salvation of Humanity' is by humanist ideals, principles and teachings exemplified by the Humanist Manifesto.
Some if not many Jews embrace the 'Humanist Salvation' as far as the 'Salvation of Humanity.'Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-13-2015, 02:12 PM.
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