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Originally posted by robrecht View PostI have no need to be dependent upon sources when using normal words in their normal sense.
No, you are proving that you completely misunderstand. My point has always been that a literalist, propositional approach to revelation in closed written scriptures is not needed when one can accept the validity of theological reflection.
Try to at least quote a full sentence at a time and you may be able to better understand. Just because theological reflection has produced new doctrines, sometimes over the course of several centuries, does not mean that the theological reflection was seen (then or now) or ever intended as a form of revelation or to produce new doctrine.
It would help if you got back on topic of UU. The other threads were open, are open and will remain open.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhat you have presented does not represent the common use of Theological Reflection as defined by many sources. Still waiting . . .
Problem remains you are misusing Theological reflection.
Theological reflection has not produced new Doctrines by Definition.
It would help if you got back on topic of UU. The other threads were open, are open and will remain open.
You did not answer my question: If you have not abandoned the other threads, does that mean that you now intend to return to them?אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostPlease explain how you think I have misused the words 'theological reflection' and this time try to do so without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I have been saying.
You did not answer my question: If you have not abandoned the other threads, does that mean that you now intend to return to them?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI never have left them. There is one here in Comparative religions, right below this one that has always been open. I have been the last one to post in all my threads and all remain open.
Please explain how you think I have misused the words 'theological reflection' and this time try to do so without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I have been saying.
Is the original language for the name of this body (Universal House of Justice) Arabic? Happen to know the actual terms used?אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostI did not claim that you have abandoned all of your threads. If you are not aware of the one to which I was referring, I will look it up for you. As for the others, I can also dig through them to find the specific questions you have still not answered. I note, again, that you have avoided my question and request here in this very thread:
Please explain how you think I have misused the words 'theological reflection' and this time try to do so without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I have been saying.
Is the original language for the name of this body (Universal House of Justice) Arabic? Happen to know the actual terms used?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou have equated 'Theological Reflection' as referring to change and evolution of doctrine and dogma, and every source I have been able to find other then you bears no resemblance to this use.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostUntrue. Once again. Now please try and explain how you think I have misused the words 'theological reflection' and this time try to do so without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I have been saying. I have said that theological reflection has sometimes contributed to the evolution of doctrine and dogma in the Christian traidition. This is hardly equating 'theological reflection' to 'change and evolution of doctrine and dogma' or saying that 'theological reflection' refers to 'change and evolution of doctrine and dogma'.
You have equated 'Theological Reflection' as referring to change and evolution of doctrine and dogma, and every source I have been able to find other then you bears no resemblance to this use.
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WHAT IS THEOLOGICAL REFLECTION teachersites.schoolworld.com/.../WHAT%20IS%20THEOLOGICAL%20..]
The explicit goal of theological reflection is not a dogmatic statement or a contribution to academic theology. Its goal is pastoral and practical: it aims at transformation of social structures and institutions and at fuller personal integration and conversion.Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-24-2014, 09:57 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou have equated 'Theological Reflection' as referring to change and evolution of doctrine and dogma, and every source I have been able to find other then you bears no resemblance to this use.
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WHAT IS THEOLOGICAL REFLECTION teachersites.schoolworld.com/.../WHAT%20IS%20THEOLOGICAL%20..]
The explicit goal of theological reflection is not a dogmatic statement or a contribution to academic theology. Its goal is pastoral and practical: it aims at transformation of social structures and institutions and at fuller personal integration and conversion.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostNo I have never, ever equated theological reflection' with change or evolution of doctrine or dogma. You are still misunderstanding and misrepresenting my view. I have said that theological reflection can contribute to the development of doctrine in the Christian tradition and given you three or four concrete examples. Please try to understand my position before arguing.
Let's get back to the UU discussion.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes you have made that relationship, and failed to provide an outside definition supporting it. Your position has been combative, distorted. concerning the Baha'i Faith, and vague and foggy concerning how you are using 'Theological Reflection,' You most definitely have been using it in how change takes pace in Christianity, and that is not how it is defined.
Let's get back to the UU discussion.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by __ View PostI do not know much about Baha'i.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostToo bad you cannot provide a single quote of mine equating theological reflection to change or evolution of doctrine or dogma or using the terms other than how they are normally defined in dictionaries. Your affirmation does not make it so. Likewise, I have no opposition to the Baha'i Faith. In fact, I have have nothing but high praise for most of their positions as I understand them. I am no expert so there may be some positions of theirs that I would not agree with, were I more aware of their theology.
Originally posted by robrecht$26Without yet turning to the citation from your link, your above description of the role of theological reflection is much too individualistic not only for my personal taste but also for describing its role in the Christian intellectual tradition. Within the Christian intellectual tradition, one has major schools of theology that have influenced the development of doctrine from the beginning and into medieval and modern times and, apart from doctrinal development, still provide for rather profound theological pluralism within individual churches, not to mention the differences that exist between denominations. (By the way, I am only speaking of the Christian theological traditions, but similar processes may also be described within Judaism and Islam.)
Originally posted by robrecht#41Try to at least quote a full sentence at a time and you may be able to better understand. Just because theological reflection has produced new doctrines, sometimes over the course of several centuries, does not mean that the theological reflection was seen (then or now) or ever intended as a form of revelation or to produce new doctrine.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostHere:אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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