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Did Jesus preach or proclaim the doctrine of the Trinity?
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostSaying "That still does not say that he can't speak on His own authority, only that He doesn't speak on his own authority" is not true because ,for example, God does not lie and hence God cannot lie.
Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostSaying " Jesus here is not literally claiming that the Father is the only one Who knows the hour of the Sons return, but is using imagery from ancient Jewish wedding customs" is not true because if Jesus wanted to say the Holy Spirit knows the hour, Jesus would not have said "but the Father ONLY" in Matthew 24:36.
Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThe Trinity is questioned in light of the fact that Jesus said in Revelation 3:21 "I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne" and hence Jesus cannot be God because had Jesus been God, he would not have sat with God the Father; God (Christ if so) cannot be sitting with God the Father.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostSo basically, "the text can't be saying X because I've already made up my mind that it says Y, regardless of what reasons there could be for holding that the text says X".
So, Jesus cannot be God in light of the fact that he claimed equality with God the Father?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThanks for your question. The Bible says God cannot lie. Where does it say God cannot lie all times?"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostThat is pretty much what the video (post #28) is doing.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostInteresting point ... to date I haven't seen any claim in scripture to say that Jesus is equal with the Father ... with God yes.
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Jesus Christ said in John 10:29 that "My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all" and hence the Father is greater all including the Holy Spirit because all means all.Last edited by Same Hakeem; 05-15-2019, 01:14 PM.
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Colossians 3:1 mentions that "Christ is seated at the right of God" and disapproves Trinity because how can God sit with God since God is one.Last edited by Same Hakeem; 05-15-2019, 01:31 PM.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostColossians 3:1 mentions that "Christ is seated at the right of God" and disapproves Trinity because how can God sit with God if Jesus Christ was God?!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostJesus Christ said in John 10:29 that "My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all" and hence the Father is greater all including the Holy Spirit because all means all.
But even if we go only by the English translation it doesn't pose any problems, because not even in English must the word "all" necessarily imply "everyone/everything without exception", even when there are no qualifiers to the word.
And even if it did mean "everyone without exception" in this particular verse it still wouldn't pose any problems because it would fit quite naturally with the doctrine of the procession of the Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostColossians 3:1 mentions that "Christ is seated at the right of God" and disapproves Trinity because how can God sit with God if Jesus Christ was God?!
And you're misunderstanding what Christians mean when we say Christ is God, or the Father is God, or the Spirit is God. "God" here doesn't mean "God, the person", but "divine". So we're not saying that the Father, the Son (Christ) and the Spirit are all the same person, called God, but that they all share fully in the one single, undivided, divine essence.
In Colossians 3:1 however, "God" is used to signify a person, in this case the person of the Father. Using the word "God" to signify the Father is something the NT writers frequently do in their writings, and doesn't pose any problem what so ever to the doctrine of the Trinity, so long as the doctrine is properly understood.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostPlease be focused and explain how God can be one and Jesus be God and sits with God.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostI am here to learn how God is ONE and God (Jesus) be with God when Jesus is seated at the right hand of God in Colossians 3:1. That's two to me.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostI am here to learn how God is ONE and God (Jesus) be with God when Jesus is seated at the right hand of God in Colossians 3:1. That's two to me.
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