Did Jesus preach or proclaim the doctrine of the Trinity?

[Same Hakeem]

The Father is greater in rank, not in essence.

According to Jesus, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit even in essence when Jesus made it clear that the hour of his second coming is limited to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

[37818]

According to Jesus, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit even in essence when Jesus made it clear that the hour of his second coming is limited to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

You fail to understand the subordination of Persons is not subordination in Deity - The Father, Son and Holy Spirit being the One and the same God, being distinct Persons. John 13:16, ". . . The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. . . ." Jesus was sent by His Father, John 17:3, and the Holy Spirit was sent as well, John 15:26.

[Same Hakeem]

You fail to understand the subordination of Persons is not subordination in Deity - The Father, Son and Holy Spirit being the One and the same God, being distinct Persons. John 13:16, ". . . The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. . . ." Jesus was sent by His Father, John 17:3, and the Holy Spirit was sent as well, John 15:26.

1 John 3:20 says "God knows everything" therefore, the Holy Spirit is not God because Jesus limited the hour of his second coming to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 as Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

[Dan Zebiri]

1 John 3:20 says "God knows everything" therefore, the Holy Spirit is not God because Jesus limited the hour of his second coming to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 as Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

[Christian3]

According to Jesus, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit even in essence when Jesus made it clear that the hour of his second coming is limited to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

[Christian3]

According to Jesus, the Father is greater than the Holy Spirit even in essence when Jesus made it clear that the hour of his second coming is limited to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

Already answered. Your problem is that you don't understand the Trinity and it is no surprise here because your Allah though the Trinity was Allah, Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

[Christian3]

Same Hakeem, do you understand that the President is greater than we are in rank and authority, but not in essence?

[37818]

1 John 3:20 says "God knows everything" therefore, the Holy Spirit is not God because Jesus limited the hour of his second coming to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 as Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

1 John 3:20 Has a context. All what things?

1 John 3:19-21, ". . . And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. . . ."

Genuine believers know they have God's complete forgiveness (1 Iohn 5:10-13), those who do not (Romans 8:9) remain self condemned (Matthew 12:36).

[Same Hakeem]

Already answered. Your problem is that you don't understand the Trinity and it is no surprise here because your Allah though the Trinity was Allah, Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

I do understand what the Trinity teaches but the Bible does contradict the trinity. For example, the Holy is Spirit CANNOT BE GOD because "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" is the Father, according to John 17:1-3.

[Christian3]

I do understand what the Trinity teaches but the Bible does contradict the trinity. For example, the Holy is Spirit CANNOT BE GOD because "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" is the Father, according to John 17:1-3.

[Christian3]

[QUOTE=Same Hakeem;733124]I do understand what the Trinity teaches ..

If you understand the Trinity, then teach it to me.

[Dan Zebiri]

You really UNDERSTAND NOTHING, hakeem.

The Lord Jesus Christ ALREADY declared - over 2,000 years ago, that GOD IS SPIRIT. & you hakeem are proven wrong for shamelessly misrepresenting the Gospel, again - as usual!

In John 4:24, Jesus Christ said -

"GOD IS SPIRIT, and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and truth.”

So, the HOLY SPIRIT IS CLEARLY GOD and DIVINE according to Jesus' authority, over 600 years before Islam was invented.

And, Jesus Christ, as the creative, eternal Logos Word of God Himself, shared in God's glory from BEFORE the world began..:

Now Father, glorify ME in Your presence with the GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN.

- John 17:5

The Lord Jesus ALSO BREATHED THE HOLY SPIRIT ON TO His followers, and so He imparted God's Spirit to them, since He has the absolute authority to do so:

He - Jesus- Breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit".

John 20:22 (KJV)

Ignoring my rebuttal to your nonsense here :

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post731986

And parroting something as disproved as what you continue to spew thoughtlessly above, by ignoring the WHOLE of the Bible, NEVER makes what you say any truer, hakeem.

But it only shows your stupidity and manifest abysmal pea-brained parrot's thinking - and the absence of ANY logical thinking.

Keep doing it! It will only prove to the whole world here how blinded and thoughtlessly misled unitarian muslims like you are!

I do understand what the Trinity teaches but the Bible does contradict the trinity. For example, the Holy is Spirit CANNOT BE GOD because "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" is the Father, according to John 17:1-3.

[Dan Zebiri]

WHAT CONTRADICTION is there between John 4:24 and John 17:3, ya hakeem ??

Show me some sense and logical thinking for a rare change, yah ?

IF you can..

[Same Hakeem]

You really UNDERSTAND NOTHING, hakeem.

The Lord Jesus Christ ALREADY declared - over 2,000 years ago, that GOD IS SPIRIT. & you hakeem are proven wrong for shamelessly misrepresenting the Gospel, again - as usual!

In John 4:24, Jesus Christ said -

"GOD IS SPIRIT, and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and truth.”

So, the HOLY SPIRIT IS CLEARLY GOD and DIVINE according to Jesus' authority, over 600 years before Islam was invented.

And, Jesus Christ, as the creative, eternal Logos Word of God Himself, shared in God's glory from BEFORE the world began..:

Now Father, glorify ME in Your presence with the GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN.

- John 17:5

The Lord Jesus ALSO BREATHED THE HOLY SPIRIT ON TO His followers, and so He imparted God's Spirit to them, since He has the absolute authority to do so:

He - Jesus- Breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit".

John 20:22 (KJV)

Ignoring my rebuttal to your nonsense here :

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post731986

And parroting something as disproved as what you continue to spew thoughtlessly above, by ignoring the WHOLE of the Bible, NEVER makes what you say any truer, hakeem.

But it only shows your stupidity and manifest abysmal pea-brained parrot's thinking - and the absence of ANY logical thinking.

Keep doing it! It will only prove to the whole world here how blinded and thoughtlessly misled unitarian muslims like you are!

Claiming "the HOLY SPIRIT IS CLEARLY GOD and DIVINE according to Jesus' authority" is not true because according to your reasoning, the angels that are spirits in Hebrews 1:7 & 14, are GODS.

The Bible in 1 John 2:30 says "God knows everything" whereas Jesus limited the knowledge of his second coming to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 therefore excluding the Holy Spirit.

[Christian3]

Claiming "the HOLY SPIRIT IS CLEARLY GOD and DIVINE according to Jesus' authority" is not true because according to your reasoning, the angels that are spirits in Hebrews 1:7 & 14, are GODS.

The Bible in 1 John 2:30 says "God knows everything" whereas Jesus limited the knowledge of his second coming to "ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 therefore excluding the Holy Spirit.

Why do you keep repeating yourself when your posts have been already answered? If you can't remember, then start taking notes.