Is Epiphenomenalism Irrational?

[seer]

illusionnothing of the pages and pages and pages of discussion on this subject?

Yes I understand that when you do something immoral or wicked, not necessarily illegal, like chasing coeds, that logically do do not have to feel guilty - after all you could not help yourself, it was all determined.

[Tassman]

Yes I understand that when you do something immoral or wicked, not necessarily illegal, like chasing coeds, that logically do do not have to feel guilty - after all you could not help yourself, it was all determined.

HOW can this possibly be so in a causally determined universe wherein every event and every human decision and action is the logical consequence of antecedent states of affairs and facts?

[seer]

Yes, but now that we know that we are determined there is no rational reason to feel guilty. After all you had no control. So logically we can leave the baggage of guilt behind. It doesn't make sense - why feel bad for doing something that we could not help but to do?


Again, no matter how many times you say it, it is not true - the universe is not deterministic, it is probabilistic. So when my conscious awareness is presented with various options, like should I eat that second piece of cake or not, my conscious rational mind can work through the pros and cons and then make a choice. And that choice was based on conscious rational reasoning, I was not determined by chemicals. But like I said, even if I can't prove my position I will go to the gave believing that I am morally responsible for my decisions - unlike the determinist.

[Tassman]

Yes, but now that we know that we are determined there is no rational reason to feel guilty. After all you had no control. So logically we can leave the baggage of guilt behind. It doesn't make sense - why feel bad for doing something that we could not help but to do?

Again, no matter how many times you say it, it is not true - the universe is not deterministic, it is probabilistic.

So when my conscious awareness is presented with various options, like should I eat that second piece of cake or not, my conscious rational mind can work through the pros and cons and then make a choice. And that choice was based on conscious rational reasoning, I was not determined by chemicals. But like I said, even if I can't prove my position I will go to the gave believing that I am morally responsible for my decisions - unlike the determinist.

[seer]

So you have the illusion of guilt, but it is not a rational response. And as you spread your poison of determinism more and more people will realize that their personal sense of guilt is irrational. As we have seen in recent studies: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18181791

[Tassman]

So you have the illusion of guilt, but it is not a rational response. And as you spread your poison of determinism more and more people will realize that their personal sense of guilt is irrational. As we have seen in recent studies: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18181791

[seer]

The Thinker has several times disposed of this favourite quote mine of yours. Plus I've supplied several others that arrive at the opposite results. Scroll back and see.

No you haven't - where is your study that counters this study about belief in determinism. Your studies had nothing to do with this. But back to the point - now that we know were are determined, there is no logical reason for guilt.

Tass, Joel has answered you a number of times - you are just to bias to get it.

[Tassman]

No you haven't - where is your study that counters this study about belief in determinism.

- now that we know were are determined, there is no logical reason for guilt.

Tass, Joel has answered you a number of times - you are just to bias to get it.