What Is Man?

[Tassman]

Not really, purpose suggests an intention, a goal. Nature has no goal or intention, except what haphazardly happens. Some species survive others don't, no purpose, no aim, no goal.

Yes, "some species survive others don't",

[Tassman]

If god didn't exist seer, I think it would still be your "intention/purpose" to survive.

Of course it would, it's how we've evolved. The survival instinct is common to all living creatures regardless of whether they actually do survive...in fact "More than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species, that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct". Wiki.

[arnoldo]

Including fetuses?

[seer]

If god didn't exist seer, I think it would still be your "intention/purpose" to survive.

Yes, of course, that would be my subjective intention. Unless it was my intention to give up my life for a particular reason.

[JimL]

Yes, of course, that would be my subjective intention.

Was it your subjective intention to exist? No. So where do you think that your subjective intention to continue to exist, to survive, comes from? Nothing about existence, about life, is objectively intentional, and the purpose for your being is no more objective than a tadpoles.

Unless it was my intention to give up my life for a particular reason.

It is no ones intention to give up their lives, giving up their lives is secondary to, or the result of, their actual intention. Some give up their lives with the intention to free themselves from pain, some for what they perceive to be glory or honor, and some because they believe an award of a second and eternal life awaits them.

[Tassman]

Including fetuses?

[Tassman]

Yes, of course, that would be my subjective intention. Unless it was my intention to give up my life for a particular reason.

No it wouldn't. It would be your instinct to survive, as evolved via natural selection. It would be no more your "subjective intention" than a housefly trying to avoid being swatted.

[seer]

Was it your subjective intention to exist? No. So where do you think that your subjective intention to continue to exist, to survive, comes from? Nothing about existence, about life, is objectively intentional, and the purpose for your being is no more objective than a tadpoles.

Bottom line Jim, is that nature does not intend anything, it did not intend us to survive or not survive. There is no purpose for our existence.

[arnoldo]

Babies born at 6 months of age have a 50% chance of survial outside of the mother's body.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

[Tassman]

Bottom line Jim, is that nature does not intend anything, it did not intend us to survive or not survive. There is no purpose for our existence.

[JimL]

Bottom line Jim, is that nature does not intend anything, it did not intend us to survive or not survive. There is no purpose for our existence.

Correct, there is no ultimate purpose for existence because existence just is. As Tass pointed out above, there is no logical objective reason to believe that existence was intentionally created, there is only a subjective reason for your belief which is your desire to continue to exist.

[seer]

Correct, there is no ultimate purpose for existence because existence just is. As Tass pointed out above, there is no logical objective reason to believe that existence was intentionally created, there is only a subjective reason for your belief which is your desire to continue to exist.

Then you guys agree with Dawkins:

"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference

[JimL]

Then you guys agree with Dawkins:

Just look at the world around you seer, if you step outside of your own mind for just a sec and take an objective look, what Dawkins says is exactly what is seen. Some people get hurt, other people get lucky, and there is no rhyme or reason to it, nor any objective or ultimate justice. But there is justice, there is purpose, evil and good, as well as pity or empathy, but those things aren't objective realities, they are subject to existence itself.

[siam]

[Tassman]

Then you guys agree with Dawkins: