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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, I'm saying that if atheism/materialism is true there is no purpose for humankind.
In fact we all find joy in living and love of family and friends plus enthusiasms like music or football. One doesn't need the futile hope of a post-mortem existence to provide "purpose". How pathetic is that?
But as a Theist of course I believe we were designed for a purpose.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is too simplist yes/no answer to conclude how humans from different cultures over time define purpose in their lives. All cultures from the Neolithic to the present have purpose in their lives and all cultures whether they are theist or not. It is apparent by the evidence that human cultures have purpose as a society or as individuals regardless of their religious beliefs.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere are no angels in human history. Calling this card as usual is a tragic fallacy.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is not what I asked Shuny, it is about a purpose for humankind (like I said in my OP), not what different cultures subjectively decide their purpose is or is not.Last edited by shunyadragon; 12-23-2015, 08:19 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight and in a godless universe there is no ultimate purpose for humankind - only subjective purpose, like Hitler's.
As for Hitler, his rise to power was a direct consequence of the Versailles Treaty impoverishing and humiliating the people of Germany. The signatories of the Treaty were all believers in your "godly universe" (it was a more ignorant era back then) but this didn't do the German people much good and Hitler was able to capitalise on their misery.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes it is about purpose for humanity and the individual. It is relevant that the facts are people of different cultures have a purpose of humanity throughout history regardless of whether they were or are theist or not. This is simply a fact of the diversity of human history for millennia. Many if not most may not share your belief in the purpose for humanity, nonetheless they have one.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOur universe exists as it is regardless of whether there is a God or not.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostCorrect. There's no good reason to think the universe is anything other than "godless".Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo? The discussion is about whether humanity has any inherent or ultimate purpose. And apart from God they do not or can not.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe problem of the ultimate purpose of humanity is a theological and philosophical issue and remains an anecdotal claim regardless of variable claims and beliefs of different cultures and beliefs of humanity. If you are a metaphysical naturalist of sorts, the ultimate purpose of humanity is the survival of the species and perpetuation of the morals, ethics and principles of human nature that help insure the survival of future generations.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood so you agree with Dawkins that we are ultimately purposeless. So I don't know why you took exception with his quote, it is quite accurate for a materialist. And no, the purpose of humanity is not to survive, any more that it was the purpose of other extinct species to survive.
It would help if you cite me properly and completely.
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