Science of Morality

[seer]

actually saying as opposed to what you think

Yes Tass, you changed your position and dropped the intrinsic value claim after I called you on it. But really Tass bro, it would have been a lot less painful for all of us if you just admitted that you misspoke.

[seer]

You defined intrinsic, not intrinsic value which you apply to humans as opposed to other animals. I think what you actually mean is intrinsic quality, as value itself is not intrinsic. Value is what worth, what good, or what usefulness one thing has to something else. In other words you are refering to the value that you believe human beings have in the eyes of god as opposed to other animals. But of course if god doesn't exist, then you have no more value to god than does the common housefly.

I'm not sure what your point is Jim. I did not bring God into this debate and I did not bring the concept of intrinsic value into this debate.

[Tassman]

Yes Tass, you changed your position and dropped the intrinsic value claim after I called you on it. But really Tass bro, it would have been a lot less painful for all of us if you just admitted that you misspoke.

[seer]

Oh stop...

[Tassman]

Oh stop...

[seer]

Tass, I never denied that survival was an intrinsic characteristic, only that we don't have intrinsic worth or value. For the clear reasons I already gave. So when you said that humans have intrinsic value you misspoke.

[Tassman]

Tass, I never denied that survival was an intrinsic characteristic, only that we don't have intrinsic worth or value. For the clear reasons I already gave. So when you said that humans have intrinsic value you misspoke.

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[JimL]

Tass, I never denied that survival was an intrinsic characteristic, only that we don't have intrinsic worth or value. For the clear reasons I already gave. So when you said that humans have intrinsic value you misspoke.

Could you explain what you mean by intrinsic value seer? If you mean to say that human beings have relative worth, well then, so does a shovel. Intrinsic, inherent, or innate value has nothing to do with what our use or value is to something outside of ourselves.

[seer]

Could you explain what you mean by intrinsic value seer? If you mean to say that human beings have relative worth, well then, so does a shovel. Intrinsic, inherent, or innate value has nothing to do with what our use or value is to something outside of ourselves.

Why don't you ask Tass, he brought it up - not me.

[seer]

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Well I'm glad you agree that you were wrong.

[Tassman]

Well I'm glad you agree that you were wrong.

you mean by 'intrinsic worth' regarding humans?

[seer]

you mean by 'intrinsic worth' regarding humans?

Yes you changed your mind after I called you out. And human beings would have intrinsic worth if their value was not dependent on what they did or did not do. An innate characteristic.

[Tassman]

Yes you changed your mind after I called you out.

That's your assumption and you're wrong.

And human beings would have intrinsic worth if their value was not dependent on what they did or did not do. An innate characteristic.

Why, because humans are made in god's image?

Evidence please.

[seer]

That's your assumption and you're wrong.

Wrong Tass, you said that humans had intrinsic worth - that was wrong, you know it was wrong. And you did not "qualify" your claim until after I called you on it.

Why, because humans are made in god's image?

Did I say anything about being created in God's image?

[Tassman]

Wrong Tass, you said that humans had intrinsic worth - that was wrong, you know it was wrong. And you did not "qualify" your claim until after I called you on it.

Sigh!

Did I say anything about being created in God's image?

Ah, so you don't think that humans have intrinsic worth because they're made in god's image. I agree, they don't. The worth we ascribe to our fellow humans is a by-product of our intrinsic need as a social species to maintain social cohesion. It's an evolved survival mechanism.