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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Is "Why is there something rather than nothing?" a legitimate question?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo then, where would you say that "space," i.e. our physical universe exists, and what is it expanding into?
I see no reason why that wouldn't fit into the relativity model - but I have to confess I am a neophyte physicist practicing advanced astrophysics without a license.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo then, where would you say that "space," i.e. our physical universe exists, and what is it expanding into?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Postbut I have to confess I am a neophyte physicist practicing advanced astrophysics without a license.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWell...if space is the relationship between object...then past the furthestmost object in the universe there is literally nothing. If there is no "next object," then there is no space. Which means the universe is expanding - but not necessarily expanding "into" anything. It's just expanding. As objects move away from each other, space is changed.
I see no reason why that wouldn't fit into the relativity model - but I have to confess I am a neophyte physicist practicing advanced astrophysics without a license.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI think that it makes no sense to say that the universe is expanding into nothing. Then you would have to ask yourself what exactly it is that you mean by "nothing." Do you have any idea's concerning "nothing?"
Originally posted by JimL View PostWe are obviously, none of us here, experts in the field, but that can't stop us from thinking.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by element771 View PostI have explained my skepticism of the multiverse from a scientific perspective. My opinion is a scientific one and I have the credential, experience, and CV to back it up...how about you?
Unlike yourself, I am a real scientist... not a pretend scientist.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostBy your 'ex-spurt opinions' so far you do not measure up to Vilenkin, Hawking, and the others I cited. I am not the issue that you are playing ad hominem games with, it is the qualified physicists, and cosmologists that you have no comperable qualifications. I demonstrated your religious agenda by directly citing your previous posts.
That is my religious agenda?
If you think that supports a religious agenda, you are an idiot.
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Originally posted by element771 View Postyou are an idiot.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by element771 View PostI would say more energy but E=mc^2 so.... . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by element771 View PostI have known this for a long time but I am stubborn.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI think you need to let go of the idea of "expanding into." If you blow up a balloon, it is expanding and displacing air - it is expanding "into the air." I think people try to apply that to the universe, and it doesn't work. If the universe is "all that is" and it is expanding - to say it is expanding "into" something suggests that there is something other than the universe, but since we just defined the universe as "everything that exists," that's a contradiction.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBut I never defined our universe as being "all that there is." My contention is that there is no such thing as "nothing" in the conventional sense of the term. Therefore, outside of our universe, or beyond that part of it which we can observe, there is either more space, or, there is a spaceless vacuum of non-zero energy into which our universe expands and out of which our universe was born. If we start with the premise that our universe is all that there is, then we are stuck with the odd idea that the universe not only emerged from out of nothing, but that it is expanding even though there is no existing something, no place, which it can expand into.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBut I never defined our universe as being "all that there is." My contention is that there is no such thing as "nothing" in the conventional sense of the term. Therefore, outside of our universe, or beyond that part of it which we can observe, there is either more space, or, there is a spaceless vacuum of non-zero energy into which our universe expands and out of which our universe was born. If we start with the premise that our universe is all that there is, then we are stuck with the odd idea that the universe not only emerged from out of nothing, but that it is expanding even though there is no existing something, no place, which it can expand into.
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