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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Is "Why is there something rather than nothing?" a legitimate question?
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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThey are things, though not real things. They are not nothing, being at the very least imaginary. We make these distinctions. Do we not?If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI was agreeing with you.... Just wanted to give more examples...
The reality of imaginary things are on the pages of the writing or in the minds of the persons who imagine it. Just adding how non existent things have an existence. Now days in the shows we watch with special effects to make them look real.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostOK.
The reality of imaginary things are on the pages of the writing or in the minds of the persons who imagine it. Just adding how non existent things have an existence. Now days in the shows we watch with special effects to make them look real.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostExactly Shunya. If God or anything else exists only as an imagination in the minds of the persons who imagine it, then he/she/it doesn't exist as a thing in itself.
Now there are real things.
I am persuaded that there could never have been nothingness, therefore there has always been something, and that something is the self existent existence which all other existence, Natural Law, etc. are contingent upon.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThen those imagined entities are just that, not real.
Now there are real things.
I am persuaded that there could never have been nothingness, therefore there has always been something, and that something is the self existent existence which all other existence, Natural Law, etc. are contingent upon.Last edited by JimL; 01-31-2015, 07:19 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAgreed, but if "nothingness" is naught but an abstract concept, if it exists only in the mind as an imagination, if it is not real, then that self existing existence, as well as all those particulars that are contingent upon it, would need be all of one and the same substance, thus they are all one and the same thing.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostHow do you come to this conclusion? It does not make sense [to me]. It sounds like [to me] to argue, there is a box, and anything in the box is also the box.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThen those imagined entities are just that, not real.
Now there are real things.
I am persuaded that there could never have been nothingness, therefore there has always been something,
. . . and that something is the self existent existence which all other existence, Natural Law, etc. are contingent upon.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . and that something is the self existent existence which all other existence, Natural Law, etc. are contingent upon.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View Posthmm. . . So self existence is an assertion. So is your statement. Caused existence is contingent. Only self existence can be contingent on nothing else. Even your Natural Law is contingent on it existing. Nothing can precede self existent existence. All arguments presume existence.
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Originally posted by 37818 View Posthmm. . . So self existence is an assertion. So is your statement. Caused existence is contingent. Only self existence can be contingent on nothing else. Even your Natural Law is contingent on it existing. Nothing can precede self existent existence. All arguments presume existence.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually you could include God as contingent on God existing.
For the sake of argument from the secular perspective there is no reason not to believe nothing preceded Natural Law and it is eternal and self-existent.
Now it is either "self existent" or contingent on the "self existent." The only thing that is self existent is itself. So unless Natural Law is identified as the "self existent existence" it is not "self existent.". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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