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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSeer will delete any part of this post he cannot respond to, and go back to questioning. This is his pattern: as soon as the line of argumentation surfaces things he cannot respond to and challenges his beliefs, he ignores them and then raises a question he is more comfortable with. If you persist - he will disconnect entirely. Although he has pointed to Ehrman, he does with Ehrman what he does with his bible: pick/choose the things that affirm his existing beliefs, and ignoring/dismiss the rest.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostPot meet the hand waving king...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have never deleted any part of any post you have made and have answered every question you have asked. If you think otherwise, please feel free to link the example(s). I have not agreed with you, Seer, but I have not dodged your questions nor failed to respond to points you raised. I HAVE refused to be diverted from a discussion in progress to a tangent you want to pivot to. THAT is absolutely true. You meanwhile, engage in poisoning the pot on almost every post, cannot resist personal attacks when you are disagreed with, and regularly remove anything you cannot respond to from a post. Your assertion here is simply false.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThanks for sharing Carp...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain according to Ehrman did Paul and his audience believe in the resurrection of the body, the physical resurrection of Christ? Yes or no?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; ithttps://ehrmanblog.org/did-paul-beli...e-resurrected/
Verse 53: For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
The mortal body is not destroyed but transformed. Of course Paul speaks of this else where:
Romans 8:11, 23: If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you...And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies....
Philippians 3:20, 21: But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Glorifying a body is different from replacing a body
The body is transformed/changed, not abandoned.
In 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, it is the same person, the bodily Jesus, who dies, is buried, is raised, and who appeared to others, including Paul.
https://ehrmanblog.org/did-paul-thin...-july-14-2017/Last edited by seer; 05-08-2020, 06:57 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCorrect Tass, the body (flesh and blood) is mortal. The it that is raised is the mortal body made immortal. The mortal body is not discarded it is transformed.
Of course your buddy Bart Ehrman agrees - from a question and answer exchange:
Glorifying a body is different from replacing a body
The body is transformed/changed, not abandoned.
In 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, it is the same person, the bodily Jesus, who dies, is buried, is raised, and who appeared to others, including Paul.
https://ehrmanblog.org/did-paul-thin...-july-14-2017/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd while the body decomposes, where is the spirit/soul hanging out prior to getting it's new and glorified body, it's so called resurrection?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe resurrected saints came straight out of their tombs at the crucifixion.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe implication is that the old saints hung out for hundreds and thousands of years with there decomposing bodies and then resurrect in those same old bodies. If you die as an old man, do you believe you resurrect as an old man?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI have no idea what bodies they were raised with in that case. I suspect it was not the glorified immortal body that Paul was speaking of.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAs Tass pointed out, they are not said to be raised as natural bodies, they are sown as natural bodies, raised as spiritual bodies. In other words, the soul, the spirit, is raised, not the flesh.
What is the it that is raised here?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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