You have no idea what you are talking about. The abolitionists largely held their positions on religious grounds. Second, science tells us nothing about human rights. Third, what is a natural human right? And the idea of human rights were around long before the enlightenment. Go back to Thomas Aquinas: https://www.diametros.iphils.uj.edu....ticle/view/542
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny, as my link stated though Enlightenment philosophers opposed slavery it was Christians why actually got it done, who led the movement. And it wasn't my response.
Again: "Although many Enlightenment philosophers opposed slavery, it was Christian activists, attracted by strong religious elements, who initiated and organized an abolitionist movement. [1] Throughout Europe and the United States, Christians, usually from "un-institutional" Christian faith movements."
And who exactly were the "Rational humanist" who were actually involved in the abolitionist movement? Names and references please.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou have no idea what you are talking about. The abolitionists largely held their positions on religious grounds. Second, science tells us nothing about human rights. Third, what is a natural human right? And the idea of human rights were around long before the enlightenment. Go back to Thomas Aquinas: https://www.diametros.iphils.uj.edu....ticle/view/542
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI provided the reference. Did you read it?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou have not responded to my reference, and prevalence of slavery in Christianity.
but not the religious grounds of the Bible, because the Bible does not forbid slavery in any form, and in places advocates slavery.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Greed? Besides it is not that all Christians for all times accepted slavery. But what is the big deal to a relativist like you - it is not like slavery is a universal moral wrong. But the point is Tass, it was largely Christians (not the rational humanists) that put an end to it in the West.
So now you have to quote scripture? And we survived and flourished just fine when slavery was practiced near universally.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is like asking about the prevalence of slavery in Islam or in the Animis religions of Africa or in Hinduism, etc... You are speaking of a near universal and accepted institution. The question is, who put and end to it, the West did, mainly pushed by Christian activists.
That is false, slavery in the West was based on man stealing (kidnapping) and that is sin in both Testaments. And of course the Christian Abolitionists used Scripture. Have you ever read Harriet Beecher Stowe or her father Lyman Beecher? Or the Quakers or William Wilberforce or Thomas Clarkson? They all grounded their argument in New Testament principles.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-11-2020, 08:40 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostGreed? Besides it is not that all Christians for all times accepted slavery.
But what is the big deal to a relativist like you
- it is not like slavery is a universal moral wrong.
But the point is Tass, it was largely Christians (not the rational humanists) that put an end to it in the West.
So now you have to quote scripture?
And we survived and flourished just fine when slavery was practiced near universally.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually it ia an equivalent problem that their scriptures and cultures lack the spiritual laws and teachings that forbid slavery as Judeo Christian scriptures lack the spiritual laws to forbid slavery. Christianity claims to be a mark above the standards of the culture around them, but as matter of fact they are just like everyone else and the sulture around them, no better nor no worse.
No it is not, slavery is justified and cononed in both testaments including the buying and selling of slaves in the Old Testament. It remains a fact that slavery is not forbidden in either of the Testaments, and slavery remained common in Christianity up until the 18th century.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSlavery was accepted from ancient times in ALL cultures including by Christians.
Demonstrably it wasn't "a big deal" to anyone (including Christians) until relatively recently.
Well yes, it is - as was recognized during the Enlightenment. The recognition of universal human rights lends itself to our survival as a social species. The origin of morality is biology and natural selection, not theology.
You are wrong. Christians as such did NOT put an end to slavery. It came to an end with the recognition by ALL people of Enlightenment values such as liberty, toleration and equal rights. Values which were initially resisted by many - including many Christians.
This passage (unwittingly perhaps) reinforces our evolved recognition of the importance of social cohesion in surviving as a social species.
No doubt the Christian plantation-owners felt the same way as you do, that slavery was "just fine".Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo what? Your religion came into being when slavery was just about abolished in the West, and abolished largely by Christians. Glad to see you were following our lead. And again Shuny, slavery in the West was largely based on man stealing (kidnapping men and selling them into slavery) and that is sin (immoral) in Scripture.
[quote[ Are you denying that man stealing is a sin? [/quote]
No where in the Bible is stated that it was a sin to buy and sell slaves.
And there is nothing immoral about selling ones self into slavery for advantage.
But I'm glad that the Baha'i followed the example that Christian set by rejecting slavery.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-13-2020, 08:18 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
And why would it be a big deal to the relativist today?Idiot the point was we can and did have social cohesion even with slavery. So your argument is stupid - rejecting slavery is not necessary for cohesion, try again.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostFalse, slavery was dominant in the USA up until 1860s, and in Christianity. Slavery may have been ended in the British Isles, but it continued by the British in India elsewhere, and in the Caribbean. It was 'some' Christians and secular humanists that were abolishonists. There are considerable writings against slavery inspired by Enlightenment philosophers.
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