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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostI believe in the resurrection, but I wonder about the virgin birth. Miraculous births were a literary genre at the time for great men like Alexander the Great, so it's possible it was tacked on later to add legitimacy to the Jesus narrative. And there is John 7:5 where it says that Jesus' own brothers did not believe in Him. If He had had a miraculous birth, wouldn't it have gotten around to his siblings that something was up with Jesus?
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd we can show why those objections are not in any way definitive:
https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/who-wrote-1-peter
Same with John:
https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/w...gospel-of-john
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Originally posted by seer View PostYet Brown believed that the evidence for the physical resurrection was strong. And that the virgin birth was a historical fact.
Do you agree with him there?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe majority scholarly position re the Petrine epistles and the writings of the Johannine community is definitive. You will always find a contrary minority view based upon your Evangelical agenda if you look hard enough.Last edited by seer; 04-06-2020, 11:31 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostRaymond E Brown says that Jesus did not write an account of his life or passion; nor did anyone who had been present write an eyewitness account. The same applies to the virgin birth. Brown believes that ALL the evidence of the Jesus story was filtered through the lens of . (Quote previously cited). This obviously includes the resurrection and virgin birth.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostI believe in the resurrection, but I wonder about the virgin birth. Miraculous births were a literary genre at the time for great men like Alexander the Great, so it's possible it was tacked on later to add legitimacy to the Jesus narrative. And there is John 7:5 where it says that Jesus' own brothers did not believe in Him. If He had had a miraculous birth, wouldn't it have gotten around to his siblings that something was up with Jesus?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWho knows, remember Joseph did not want this to get round. At first he thought it would have disgraced Mary. Perhaps in that culture it was the wise thing to keep it under wraps. And why do you wonder about the virgin birth?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo too was resurrection, no? Osiris, Dionysis, Tammuz, Attis, Persephone. You actually find that belief in many different cultures. For instance - Odin, Ganesha, Lemminkainen, Krishna, Quetzalcoat.
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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostTrue, but there's more evidence supporting the resurrection than the virgin birth. And you don't see the transformation of an entire community and people gladly going to their martyrdom inspired by the virgin birth.
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt is not definitive, nor can it be. It is based on very questionable assumptions.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostTrue, but there's more evidence supporting the resurrection than the virgin birth. And you don't see the transformation of an entire community and people gladly going to their martyrdom inspired by the virgin birth.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNot to mention there are clearly no possible claims of "eyewitnesses" to this event, so it is a handed-down story based on a theology that had evolved 30-70 years by the time it was documented.
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