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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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When does proving one's truth claims come to an end?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat are you saying Shuny? That the LONC isn't absolute? That it would be possible for the sun to exist and not exist at the same moment?
till waiting for you to respond to the reference as cited instead of making fallible human assertions. Your claim that the Law of Non-Contradiction would only apply if we had the absolute knowledge of God.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostLONC is not absolute.
till waiting for you to respond to the reference as cited instead of making fallible human assertions. Your claim that the Law of Non-Contradiction would only apply if we had the absolute knowledge of God.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf the LONC is not absolute then it is possible for the the sun to both exist and not exist at the same moment. Of course it is impossible for the sun to exist and not exist at the same moment - which proves the LONC.
till waiting for you to respond to the reference as cited instead of making fallible human assertions. Your claim that the Law of Non-Contradiction would only apply if we had the absolute knowledge of God.
Science and logic cannot prove the Law of Non-Contradiction.
Still waiting . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-24-2020, 01:27 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf the LONC is not absolute then it is possible for the the sun to both exist and not exist at the same moment. Of course it is impossible for the sun to exist and not exist at the same moment - which proves the LONC.
Doesn't it seem a bit circular to prove the LONC by using the LONC?
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostHow do you know that it is impossible for the sun to exist and not exist at the same time, without using the LONC?
Doesn't it seem a bit circular to prove the LONC by using the LONC?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostLong wordy verbage, and still no 'decisive truths' presented on your part.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOK. So, this reinforces my original point that moral standards vary according to the prevailing moral values of the day religious or otherwise.
A phenomenon as complex as a human being can be "fully explained" in principle by means of scientific methodology inasmuch as it falsifies theories and hypotheses concerning the nature of our physical existence. Philosophical argumentation is unable to do this.
Except that in this instance we are talking about genetic algorithms grounded in the concept of Darwins Theory of Natural Selection and as such based in biology, which can be empirically tested and verified.
The foundation of implicit knowing in science is the body of acquired falsifiable theories and hypotheses, not philosophical speculation.
The total lack of empirical evidence merely emphasizes the implausibly of your claim that the secret of the universe is popcorn.
And such knowledge cannot be considered anything other than subjective knowledge, remember?
Certainly, physicists and cosmologists speculate about things for which there is no known empirical test at the time. Such speculations are called hypotheses. But in principle they acknowledge that empirical testing is or will be possible - e.g. it took 50 years, IIRC, for the hypothesized Higgs boson to be discovered. Similarly, the discovery of the predicted cosmic microwave background radiation which has constituted a major development in modern physical cosmology.
You may well consider such a view to be impoverished, but that is not to say it is wrong. Non-empirical knowledge cannot be considered decisive knowledge.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post2+2=4 is only true in base ten math. A fact is NOT a 'decisive truth.' In base ten math 2+2 cannot equal 57, which is only true in based ten math.
true facts are not 'decisive truths.'
Seer, you often post thing you don't understand, so again are you suggesting that the Law of non-contradiction is not absolute, that the sun in fact can both exist and not exist at the same moment?
I post references, which you fail to resond to, and respond posting opinions. Read the reference and respond.
Again true facts are NOT 'decisive truths' They are simply true facts.Last edited by Jim B.; 08-24-2020, 04:05 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAre you saying it is possible? How? What would that look like? And I'm saying that that impossibility demonstrates the LONC. And what would be wrong with circular logic? If the LONC doesn't hold universally why would circular logic be a rational faux pas? Based on what? It seem to me that you would be cutting off the branch that you are sitting on.
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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostHow do you define "decisive truth"? Is it a perspective-free truth, one that's only accessible to God? "Decisive" suggests something that has been decided upon, about which there is no disagreement. It does not suggest "absolute" or "incontrovertible under any conceivable circumstances."
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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostDid you see the questions I posed to you in my last post? Why didn't you respond? I guess it's a lot easier to just keep putting up the same pat response than to actually read and try to, you know, understand, what's been written. Still waiting for some shred of evidence that you actually comprehend what I've been saying....
If this is your question.
How do you define "decisive truth"? Is it a perspective-free truth, one that's only accessible to God? "Decisive" suggests something that has been decided upon, about which there is no disagreement. It does not suggest "absolute" or "incontrovertible under any conceivable circumstances."
Still no 'decisive truths' presented.
Still waiting . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-24-2020, 04:35 PM.
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Originally posted by Jim B. View PostHow do you define "decisive truth"? Is it a perspective-free truth, one that's only accessible to God? "Decisive" suggests something that has been decided upon, about which there is no disagreement. It does not suggest "absolute" or "incontrovertible under any conceivable circumstances."
Still waiting . . .
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour posts have been answered so many times it has becom redundant. Many of your posts have to wordy and missing the mark.If wish please repeat the question.
If this is your question.
See the next post.
Still no 'decisive truths' presented.
Still waiting . . .
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis an OK definition, but you have not provided an 'decisive truths' yet. All you have mentioned is a few facts that would be in agreement as simply objective observations.
Still waiting . . .
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