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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post"Able to fall" is not the same is "unavoidably destined to fall."
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt would seem that Paul was full of malarkey...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt would seem that Paul was full of malarkey. There is no such thing as "the sin" which lives in you. When you do that which you know to be wrong, it is you who do it.
If Man is basically good, this should not happen - but does. If not, Paul's a smart cookie."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, and Adam and Eve, lets assume for the sake of argument they existed, were no less human than are we. We didn't inherit their so called fallen nature, we inherited their human nature and we would have inherited the same whether they disobeyed god or not."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWhy? You know its wrong and are trying to be a good person - so why do you do it anyway?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're assuming that morality, i.e. that what is good and what is bad, are objective realities again seer. Besides that, if god decides what is good and what is bad, then there is nothing inherently good or bad about anything. Answer this. Is that which is good inherently good, or is it good simply because god says so?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThey are separate realities in the Baha'i writings, and I provided references describing this.
You persist in being an absolute litralist, not only with the Bible, but the Baha'i Faith and other religions when it suits you to justify your agenda. I cited Baha'i writings that openly contradict your biased assertions, but you choose to ignore them. Based on the citations. The Baha'i writings describe both a cyclic spiritual evolution in Revelation, but also an evolving physical evolution, in particular specifically of the evolution of humanity from the animal kingdom.
the Baha'i writings do not date the physical prehistory of the evolution of humanity, but based on the citations I provided that describe human evolution in the animal kingdom it relies on science for th knowledge of the physical history and time frame of our existence and the evolution of life and humanity, because of the belief in the Harmony of Science and Religion.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWhy? You know its wrong and are trying to be a good person - so why do you do it anyway?
If Man is basically good, this should not happen - but does. If not, Paul's a smart cookie.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMan is neither good or bad, it is what he/she does with respect to society that is defined by us as either good or bad.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you don't think murder, or rape, or lying are objective wrongs?
And I'm not sure what you mean about God - if man decides what is good or bad then nothing is inherently good or bad. It is only good because man says so.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI just did, the same way you said man is inherently bad.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny stop being deceitful, I did not say that humans (in some form) did not exist before Adam, but that all humans alive today are descendants of ONE MAN ADAM.
Again: The important thing is to realize that all are human, all are one progeny of Adam. Inasmuch as they are all one family, why should they be separated
There is no living man on earth whose blood line (progeny) does no go back to Adam.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostPretty sure he's wrong anyways.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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