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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat? If God created us fallible as opposed to free (to make our own choices) then God is responsible for our evil.
This would be true of Adam and Eve as with all humans before and after. Biblically there were other humans alive at the time of Adam and Eve.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post...Biblically there were other humans alive at the time of Adam and Eve.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGod Created humans fallible and with a will, not necessarily totally free to do whatever they want. God is responsible for the nature of humanity as it is. I would consider evil as the lack of good, and bad human choices, which God Created humans with a will able to make good and bad choices.
This would be true of Adam and Eve as with all humans before and after. Biblically there were other humans alive at the time of Adam and Eve.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCurious about the use of "Biblically" here. How so?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostCaan married in the Land of Nod. I know literal Creationists try and wiggle out of it and say Caan married insestuaiously with his sister, but out side the literalists trying to justify their view it just not fit reality.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is funny Shuny, but your own religion teaches that Adam is the father of all mankind. Is your religion wrong? And if you say that God created man to make choices (good or bad) then what are you saying that is really any different than me?
This reflects the objective verifiable evidence of the known history of humanity.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually no, the Baha'i Faith does not consider Adam the father of humanity. It considers Adam the first Manifestation of God for the Adamic cycle. There are more cycles of Revelation and evolving human existence prior to Adam. The Adamic cycle ended in 1844.
This reflects the objective verifiable evidence of the known history of humanity.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGod being the 'One Who is truly good' does equate to the belief that humans are 'stained by evil' with original sin due to the the very fallible human acts by Adam and Eve cursing all of humanity to commit evil acts.
Question: Before they committed the 'deadly sin' Were Adam and Eve good, how good?
I believe that the concept of the 'Fall' and Original Sin' were the result of the need for humans to explain a violent imperfect world that should have been 'perfect' without sin Created by God. The blame was placed on a mythical belief in Adam and Eve as the 'scapegoats' evolved from ancient Sumerian mythology found in cuneiform tablets."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat? Of course I blame Adam for his sin. It was his choice.
So God created us to do evil? If he created us fallible he created us to fall into sin."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by siam View Postperhaps because a Muslim---unlike the Christian---has no vested interest in Judaism. For the Christians, they have appropriated the old Testatment/Torah for their own theological purposes and have interpreted the stories according to their theological convenience....?.....for example---In Judaism, God forgives Adam so there is no "original sin"......Yet Christianity interprets this story differently from Judaism......
I also search the net and listen to Jews about Judaism. (see links provided previously if u r also interested.)
But more to the point, you just told me that the muslim is biased and therefore unreliable on this point.
And you seem to keep repeating the same error which brings your reliability even more into question."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by siam View PostThe question was---where does compassion and mercy fit into a worldview which presumes human beings are evil and their actions are deliberately malicious....Are you saying that only God is capable of compassion and mercy?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes we see this with kids, selfishness. But why with adults? I'm not speaking of unthinking lust or selfishness for instance, but when you have decided for yourself that something is morally wrong, then do it anyway. What is overriding that good sense, or to put it another way - why do we give in? Something in us is superseding or ignoring our rational mind.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI should have been more clear, Adam is the father of all humanity alive today.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-03-2019, 08:26 PM.
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