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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, as far as I can see the laws must needs be eternal whether existing naturally or in the mind of god, but the fact that they exist eternally at all would make god (as utilizer) unecessary since being that they exist they don't need to be utilized, they function naturally on their own.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostANYTHING to support the necessity of your belief.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostANYTHING to support the necessity of your belief.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy must they be eternal, in nature? And again Jim, if God is the creator of said laws they depend on Him not the other way around.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, did god think the laws up? In order to think them up, create them, they would have to work, and if they work then they existed as laws before he thought them up. That means that in either sense, whether in the mind of god or not, the laws themselves are eternal which basically renders god unecessary.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo seer, that space-time, i.e. universes begin, is a matter of science.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Jim, you said your 'cosmos' that produced this universe was outside of time space, eternal, and would be supremely powerful (creating multiple universes). All classic attributes of the Christian God...
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, did god think the laws up? In order to think them up, create them, they would have to work, and if they work then they existed as laws before he thought them up. That means that in either sense, whether in the mind of god or not, the laws themselves are eternal which basically renders god unecessary.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, that's right space-times, i.e. space and time begin to exist like our particular universe began to exist, but they don't , in my opinion, come from nothing as is your belief, they are a product of the infinite and eternal quantum vacuum of non zero energy and natural law. That has nothing to do with a god that simply says "let it be."
And you mock us for believing in God?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, that's right space-times, i.e. space and time begin to exist like our particular universe began to exist, but they don't , in my opinion, come from nothing as is your belief, they are a product of the infinite and eternal quantum vacuum of non zero energy and natural law. That has nothing to do with a god that simply says "let it be."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThen Shuny, if God directs the evolutionary process then it could not have happened on its own. Nature with out that Divine direction could not have done it. You agree?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou are contrasting Theism from Philosophical Materialism. Beyond this you have not stated anything meaningful.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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