Originally posted by seer
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A symbol refers to a reality/thing/concept/idea. If we all use it that way, then that is what that symbol/word means. "Natural" means what it is defined to mean. The idea of the definition being "true/false" can only be measured in one way: is that how the word is conventionally used? If someone says "the definition of 'piano' is 'a round bowl into which people urinate and defecate'" then we know that statement is false because that is NOT the common usage of the word - and not what is in the dictionary.
That means your offered definitions of "natural" are the false ones, because that is not what the word/symbol means. The word of natural is well defined, and you can look it up. That you do not like the definition does not change it anymore than you not liking the definition of "piano" will change it. It will continue to be used and defined as it is commonly used and defined.
So when you say, "I don't believe anything is natural," you are saying, "I don't believe anything behaves according to repeatable, predictable intelligible principles that can be investigated by science." You can claim you're not saying that all day long, and create your own definitions of "natural" all day long, and the rest of us will nod and smile and say, "isn't that nice, Seer just went back into his personal space..."
Meanwhile, "natural" will continue to mean what it means, despite your objections and so-called "arguments."
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