Interaction Problem Involving the Soul and Body

[Tassman]

In did, there is no evidence that nature alone could do all this.

That is the only evidence we have. Some may believe that there was supernatural input, but there is no evidence of this.

[seer]

Does not address the problem. Your playing the Three Stooges Duck Bob and Weave.

Try again to address my post.

In did, there is no evidence that nature alone could do all this.

[shunyadragon]

Right, which means that there is no reason to think that nature under her own steam could accomplish it.

Does not address the problem. Your playing the Three Stooges Duck Bob and Weave.

Try again to address my post.

[seer]

I definitely do NOT KNOW the activity of God, and there are many disagreements between you and I concerning the nature of the 'activity of God.' I am not that arrogant to make that claim. Yes, I believe in God, and the Creator of our physical existence.

As fare as the nature of our physical existence the objective verifiable evidence and the tried and true methods of science provide the best answers as to how God Created our physical existence. I believe God Created our physical existence by the Laws of Nature and natural processes.God does not create contradictions in the evidence of the nature of our physical existence.

Right, which means that there is no reason to think that nature under her own steam could accomplish it.

[shunyadragon]

What are you talking about Shuny? How do you know that nature apart from the activity of God could create this present state of affairs? Where is you evidence that such a thing would be possible?

I definitely do NOT KNOW the activity of God, and there are many disagreements between you and I concerning the nature of the 'activity of God.' I am not that arrogant to make that claim. Yes, I believe in God, and the Creator of our physical existence.

As fare as the nature of our physical existence the objective verifiable evidence and the tried and true methods of science provide the best answers as to how God Created our physical existence. I believe God Created our physical existence by the Laws of Nature and natural processes.God does not create contradictions in the evidence of the nature of our physical existence.

[seer]

Your 'arguing from vague ignorance,' which is not relevant to the discussion.

What are you talking about Shuny? How do you know that nature apart from the activity of God could create this present state of affairs? Where is you evidence that such a thing would be possible?

[shunyadragon]

The point is Shuny, since we both know that God created and directed the process (whether it is evolutionary or not) we have no idea if nature, without the direction of God, could create the universe and life as we see it today.

Your 'arguing from vague ignorance,' which is not relevant to the discussion.

[seer]

We both believe that randomness does not cause anything in God's Creation and the evidence supports this. Unfortunately for you, the objective verifiable evidence demonstrates that abiogenesis and evolution is God's method of Creation of life, and not chance nor randomness.

The point is Shuny, since we both know that God created and directed the process (whether it is evolutionary or not) we have no idea if nature, without the direction of God, could create the universe and life as we see it today.

[shunyadragon]

How do you know that there would not be randomness without God since God is involved. The fact is Shuny, you have no idea what nature would or would not act like without God because we don't have such a universe.

The objective verifiable evidence of the Laws of Nature, natural environments and natural processes, and the definition of 'chance' and 'randomness' determine that 'chance' and 'randomness' only apply to the outcome of individual events.

We both believe that randomness does not cause anything in God's Creation and the evidence supports this. Unfortunately for you, the objective verifiable evidence demonstrates that abiogenesis and evolution is God's method of Creation of life, and not chance nor randomness.

[seer]

I am basing this on objective verifiable evidence, and regardless of whether God exists or not there is absolutely no evidence the chance nor randomness has any influence concerning the natural course of cause and effect outcomes.

How do you know that there would not be randomness without God since God is involved. The fact is Shuny, you have no idea what nature would or would not act like without God because we don't have such a universe.

[shunyadragon]

Because with out God how do you escape randomness? And of course randomness does not determine the course of natural cause and effect events in nature because God created and directed it all.

I am basing this on objective verifiable evidence, and regardless of whether God exists or not there is absolutely no evidence the chance nor randomness has any influence concerning the natural course of cause and effect outcomes.

I gave specific English definitions to randomness, and it only applies to single events, and not the outcomes of chains of cause and effect outcomes of natural processes.

Your trying to play two sides of an argument to justify your agenda, and ignoring the matter of fact evidence.

[seer]

No he didn't. There is no substantive evidence for this assertion.

But that is what both Shuny and I believe, and I was talking to him...

[Tassman]

Because with out God how do you escape randomness?

Evolution is not random. The survival and reproductive success of a living organism is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment. Natural selection events may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all.

And of course randomness does not determine the course of natural cause and effect events in nature because God created and directed it all.

No he didn't. There is no substantive evidence for this assertion.

[seer]

Does not answer the question: If there is no randomness, why are you arguing for randomness?

By the evidence 'chance' nor 'randomness' do not determine the course of natural cause and effect events in nature. They are only awkward terms that are used to describe the variation of the outcome of events in nature.

Because with out God how do you escape randomness? And of course randomness does not determine the course of natural cause and effect events in nature because God created and directed it all.

[shunyadragon]

The point is there is no randomness because God is involved and directing it. Which we both agree on...

Does not answer the question: If there is no randomness, why are you arguing for randomness?

By the evidence 'chance' nor 'randomness' do not determine the course of natural cause and effect events in nature. They are only awkward terms that are used to describe the variation of the outcome of events in nature.