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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostFirst, I said that no one believes that humans had to evolve as we did or at all. It was not inevitable, nor was it inevitable that earth would have the right conditions to support life. And as my last link showed from the New Science article there were a lot of purely chance events that made humans as we are.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo-one believes that life on earth was inevitable. Life has NOT arisen one most planets in the universe, but it has developed on Earth and the mechanism was the Evolutionary process. This is supported by considerable evidence and not in doubt. Your argument is a straw-man in defense of an imaginary creator deity.
The conclusion is clear that abiogenesis and evolution are inevitable when the suitable environment exists, and abiogenesis and evolution are environment driven.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-09-2019, 02:25 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIT is environment dependent for all evolution whether on this planet or any other planet in the universe. Natural LAws and environment are the determining factors, and natural laws determine which planet has the suitable environment for abiogenesis and evolutionAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI have cited a number of scientists that propose as I do abiogenesis and evolution are inevitable given the environment suitable for abiogenesis and evolution. The important evidence for this is when extinction events occur, forms of life return very very similar as before dependent on the environment.
The conclusion is clear that abiogenesis and evolution are inevitable when the suitable environment exists, and abiogenesis and evolution are environment driven.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI am not contradicting you. As I said: "we are the naturally occurring evolutionary response to a suitable environment". But life is not "inevitable" on planets (the majority) that lack the necessary suitable environment.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour previous posts did not make that clear, mine did concerning 'inevitable when the suitable environment exists.'Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI made it clear that human life did not have to evolve as it did, or at all - it did not have to happen as it did, it was not inevitable. There was a good deal of randomness involved as the New Scientist article I linked showed. And it was also not inevitable that earth would have the conditions necessarily for evolution. More randomness...
You did say: "Shuny, no one believes that life on earth was inevitable, . . . "
I did not say the evolution of humans was inevitable. I said, "abiogenesis and evolution was inevitable."
I also support that our evolution is environment driven, and a product of the Laws of Nature. Human evolution does not have to inevitable to be based on the Laws of NAture and the environment.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-10-2019, 11:33 AM.
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Originally posted by JohnHermes View PostDesertBerean Computers are created based on nature's laws(especially based on the human body) All we did was "mimick" it into something totally new.
that is what is known as "rationalizing" and trying to come up with analogies after the fact.
and you obviously know nothing about electronics or how computers came about.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI made it clear that human life did not have to evolve as it did, or at all - it did not have to happen as it did, it was not inevitable. There was a good deal of randomness involved as the New Scientist article I linked showed. And it was also not inevitable that earth would have the conditions necessarily for evolution. More randomness...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAs far as an unbiased perspective, why does human evolution have to be inevitable?
You did say: "Shuny, no one believes that life on earth was inevitable, . . . "
I did not say the evolution of humans was inevitable. I said, "abiogenesis and evolution was inevitable."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course that is true, no one thinks that it was inevitable, no one thinks that earth had to have the conditions necessary for life.
Good so you agree that there was randomness in our evolutionary history...Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-11-2019, 08:55 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, as referenced randomness only can be applied to the randomness of one event, like the throw of a dice. It does not apply to evolutionary history beyond the randomness of an event.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThankfully Shuny neither of us believe in randomness since we both believe that God created man. No roll of the dice here...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostA very separate issue from misrepresenting science to justify an agenda, as you do concerning the science of abiogenesis and evolution misusing well established math concepts of randomness and chance as used in science.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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