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Last edited by JimL; 11-15-2018, 12:32 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I don't have to start with that. The forces of nature need not be rational in order that the minds that emerging from nature be rational. Minds are rational simply because they are one with nature, they evolve together with the natural world to which they belong and out of which they are formed. What is in the mind is simply the mirror image of that which the senses percieve. That's why we call the mind rational, because it conforms with the reality to which it belongs. Again, I think that you are mistakingly assuming that minds are distinct entities, separate from the world within which they exist.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I don't have to start with that. Minds are rational simply because they are one with nature, they evolve together with the natural world to which they belong and out of which they are formed. What is in the mind is simply the mirror image of that which the senses percieve. That's why we call the mind rational, because it conforms with the reality to which it belongs. Again, I think that you are mistakingly assuming that minds are distinct entities, separate from the world within which they exist.Last edited by seer; 11-15-2018, 12:40 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postexplain what "rational" means to you JimLAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhatever gives him a warm feeling in his tummy?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWe are not automatons, our own thought processes have an input over and above our biological and community programming. They are mutually reinforcing.
No, I only deny that my decisions are determined for me, even by memories and experiences.
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Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIn what sense does the reasoning process of your immaterial mind differ from the reasoning of the material brain which gives the formers conclusions more validity?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThe immaterial mind gives me something that can really choose, as opposed to an agent that is simply the sum of the atoms in my head. Something outside of nature is necessary, in order for there to be an undetermined choice.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThe immaterial mind gives me something that can really choose,
as opposed to an agent that is simply the sum of the atoms in my head. Something outside of nature is necessary, in order for there to be an undetermined choice.Last edited by Tassman; 11-15-2018, 10:56 PM.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI think I agree, maybe we can stop here.
No, I only deny that my decisions are determined for me, even by memories and experiences.
Well, it's all probabilities, isn't it? And I think my view more probable, but that's what we're here to discuss! Your view versus others' views.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHave you actually thought about exactly what it is that you mean by an immaterial mind?
Originally posted by TassmanWhat "immaterial mind", what is it, where is it located? How does an "immaterial mind" interact with the material body...where do they connect, where is the nexus? I think you are merely reinforcing a nonscientific belief system, which cannot be supported by scientific knowledge. In short, there is no such thing as an "immaterial mind."
Can you explain near-death experiences, where the soul seems to move outside the body?
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LeeLast edited by lee_merrill; 11-17-2018, 02:06 PM."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo your argument is that is that you think "something outside of nature is necessary, in order for there to be an undetermined choice", thereof it must be so. How is this not mere wishful thinking?
And does this apply to ALL sentient creatures or just Homo sapiens? Did it apply to Neanderthal Man and Homo Erectus or all the other human species that once roamed the planet? Does it apply to our near relatives such as chimpanzees and bonobos? Why not?
Originally posted by lee_merrillI only deny that my decisions are determined for me, even by memories and experiences.
Your view is utterly unsupported by substantive evidence.
Best wishes,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostYes, the soul of man, that survives after death.Last edited by JimL; 11-17-2018, 10:41 PM.
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