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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe undeniable fact is that Christian morality has been based upon the moral values of the day; historically the bible has been made to support those values via the interpretation of scripture. This was true of anti-miscegenation laws and it was true of slavery and much else. And it is true of homosexuality.
Paul is taken literally by those opposed to homosexuality (Jesus never mentions it) and interpreted according to perceived historical context by those who support it...as is becoming more common in the free world.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd in what way would this form of governance be in our best interests as both a society and as individual members thereof?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou are missing the point, it comes down to what one thinks is better for society, what one's ideal society looks like. Mine would be one where all men loved God, their fellow man and did not practice sin.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou are missing the point, it comes down to what one thinks is better for society, what one's ideal society looks like. Mine would be one where all men loved God, their fellow man and did not practice sin.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou keep telling me that but you fail to offer evidence that interracial marriage is prohibited in the Bible. Slavery, like in most other nations at the time was allowed. But so what?
The social mores of the day have historically been justified by scripture. Just as the social mores regarding homosexuality are more accepting today than in previous eras, with the majority of Christians (according to Pew Research) approving it.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou are missing the point, it comes down to what one thinks is better for society, what one's ideal society looks like. Mine would be one where all men loved God,
their fellow man and did not practice sin.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt is not my job to argue how Apartheid was justified by scripture merely that it was so justified. Just as the largest Protestant body in the US, i.e. the Southern Baptist Convention came into being for the express purpose of defending slavery.
The social mores of the day have historically been justified by scripture. Just as the social mores regarding homosexuality are more accepting today than in previous eras, with the majority of Christians (according to Pew Research) approving it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhat about those who do not believe in a god?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAgain, from your perspective, in what sense would this form of government be in the best interests of society and in the best interests of individual members thereof?Last edited by seer; 08-06-2018, 07:35 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou are going beyond the degree of morality required for the survival of the species. Abortion ahas been around for the known history of civilizations and it has had no impact on the survival of the human species.
But you prove my point. You don't believe in a standard of morality that goes beyond personal beliefs. You tried to pretend to by giving a definition of "good" that means "assures human survival" but even then you decide you have to qualify that when pushed.
Not killing our own offspring is pretty much the definition of assuring human survival.
Under your new strict rule, basically everything is moral unless it results in global nuclear war or release of a pathogen that can wipe out the human race.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI will assume that you would agree with me that the moral against stealing is in the best interests of society, and so in the best interests of the members thereof in general, Sparko. Yes or no? If you agree, then tell me what it is that makes it so?
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Originally posted by seer View PostI told you. Either that or I'm not understaning you. See as a Christian I believe that men were designed for a purpose, and that purpose is to love and obey God and to love their fellow man. That is in the best interest of the individual and society as a whole.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postyou previously said that some things are moral even if nobody agrees on it. So how does my agreeing with you or not make a difference?
So, do you agree that a moral against theft is in the best interests of human society?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhy do you say that those behaviors, what is it about them that are in the best interests of the individual and of society as a whole?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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